On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 02:18:27PM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: > On 06/28/2013 01:49 PM, Leonardo Garcia wrote: > > From: Leonardo Garcia <lagarcia@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > > It is sometimes counter intuitive for a desktop user that the virtual machine > > continues to run when they left the console viewer application. They are used > > that when they close an application all the resources being used by it are also > > freed up, and from their perspective, the console viewer is just one more > > application running. > > Hmm, I don't know if I buy this. Closing a VNC client window doesn't shut down > the remote machine, nor does exiting an SSH connection. And doing virt-manager > --uuid <blah> doesn't auto-start an inactive VM so users are forced to > recognize this concept IMO. > > There's also the issue that reliably shutting down a VM in a safe way is hard: > shutdown often doesn't do what's expected, and destroy is potentially > dangerous. If we just kick off 'shutdown' on exit then the user may not notice > for a long time that the VM never shut down. FWIW, on exit, GNOME Boxes will either suspend all VMs, or do a managed save on them. It definitely makes sense from Boxes POV, since it is trying not to expose "VM" as concept/object that the user needs to manage. They just have a number of operating systems they can interact with. I think this POV doesn't really make sense to virt-manager though, since it is really about exposing virtual machine management. In addition, virt-manager is not tied to a single machine, it can manage arbitrary machines & it definitely does not make sense to suspend VMs when disconnecting from any remote host. > I think I'd be more comfortable with just recommending a wrapper script if > someone really wants this functionality, it's basically: I'd suggest that people just use GNOME Boxes if they want this kind of UI interaction model for their VMs. Different use case, different app. Daniel -- |: http://berrange.com -o- http://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange/ :| |: http://libvirt.org -o- http://virt-manager.org :| |: http://autobuild.org -o- http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ :| |: http://entangle-photo.org -o- http://live.gnome.org/gtk-vnc :| _______________________________________________ virt-tools-list mailing list virt-tools-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/virt-tools-list
