I agree, the less layer upon layer upon layer, the better. I also want to point out that there are a large number of users who have dedicated VDR boxes connected directly to tv's in an htpc environment, using only a remote control to navigate the menus and ssh for box maintenance. Not computer monitors, using VDR in a window in a desktop environment. The second you've required the user to have a full blown desktop, you've entered the realm of poor design. The ideal situation would be to have minimal requirements/dependencies and no bloat. Additionally, an OSD that takes advantage of vdpau as well so you not only get full HDTV, but also a full high resolution/high color OSD with low hardware requirements & cost to the user to go along with it. I know the OSD has been a point of debate but the truth is people do spend a lot of time in the OSD and because of that, there's no reason that can't be an enjoyable user experience. Chalking it up as mere "eye candy" completely disregards that fact. It's no different to the reason why people put nice stereos in their car... to have a better experience while using it. Given the choice between a nice Benz or a base model Kia...how many people would actually choose the Kia? Not many, so lets not pretend otherwise. _______________________________________________ vdr mailing list vdr@xxxxxxxxxxx http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr