On 03/17/2015 05:29 AM, Karel Zak wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:37:43PM -0400, J William Piggott wrote: >> On 03/16/2015 06:33 AM, Karel Zak wrote: >>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 04:26:45PM +0100, Benno Schulenberg wrote: >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015, at 20:18, J William Piggott wrote: >>>>> Replace references to the depreciated ntpdate with sntp. >>>> >>>> s/depreciated/deprecated/ >>>> >>>>> -.BR \%ntpdate\ \-q " , or " \%date\ \-Ins >>>>> +.BR \%sntp ", or " \%date\ \-Ins >>>> >>>> Hmm, maybe it's a bit to early to delete the mention of ntpdate? >>>> My fairly recent Linux Mint doesn't have sntp yet. Maybe add >>>> sntp to the list instead of replacing ntpdate? >>> >>> Good point, it would be better to use something like "ntpdate or more >>> recent sntp". >> >> No, it is not a good point. I assume he means *too* early, that's the >> funniest thing I've heard all day. No wait, "doesn't have sntp yet", >> that's the funniest thing I've heard all day. >> >> The sntp client and ntpdate are both from the same project and >> approximately the same age. Nobody was interested in maintaining ntpdate >> so it *depreciated* over many years before being officially *deprecated* >> by the project. > > You miss the point, after util-linux update, someone will read the man > page and then type "sntp" on command line, but because he has old / > stupid distro it will be unsuccessful. What next if there is no any > pointer to any other alternative? I understand the point, Karel. I am saying it is not valid in this case because... > > You're absolutely right with ntpdate vs. sntp, but it seems reality is > so painful that people still have systems where is no sntp. ... I do not believe such a distribution exists. Any distribution that ships with util-linux also has an ntp package available. The sntp client is part of the ntp package. Do you know of a non-embedded mainstream Linux distro that doesn't offer the ntp package? It would be a very odd thing to do I believe. Furthermore, this section of the man-page is dealing with '11 minute mode'; if the system does not have the ntp package installed then none of this even applies to them. >> Before I added ntpdate two months ago, the hwclock man-page had gone 20 >> years without it. Now there's concern over removing it? > > OK :-) I'm going to apply the patches, it's nothing critical. > > Karel > > -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe util-linux" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
