hello i stumbled upon the file DEPRECATED in the main directory. it lists two tools that are also available in other packages, which aren't mandatory and not explicitly needed on my small system, though. the both are newgrp and shutdown. shutdown shall not be in use by anybody. this isn't true. i'm using it together with the login utils and want to use it in future. please take the both tools from the list of deprecated tools. the login-utils folder should not draw dependencies to foreign packages but stay fully functional on its own, from my point of view. many thanks, dennis heuer -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe util-linux-ng" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html