In regard to: Re: Why are we still using trn?, Larry W. Virden said (at...: >I use trn because it does what I want it to - message selection files (aka >KILL files) with regular expressions that I can use to select messages that >I do or do not want to see, ascii only interface (so I can use it via >telnet sessions), relatively fast (except for some of my stupider >kill files...), only crashes once every 6 months or so... Wow. I've been using trn exclusively for news reading since the early 3.x days, and I don't believe I've *ever* had any version of trn (even the -testNN versions) crash on me. It's been nice to see the traffic in this thread, but I have to say I'm surprised by the number of people that dislike the build configuration. I too prefer the GNU autoconf-generated configure scripts, but the `metaconfig'-generated Configure script isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. If it were, no one would ever be able to get perl to compile... ;-) You folks do know that you can - pass arguments to `Configure' to get it to run and take all the defaults and not ask you any questions (assuming the defaults are all acceptable) - you can pass in settings for just about anything via the `-D' argument to Configure - you can use hints files to clue Configure in about stuff it would otherwise get wrong. - you can use `config.over' to override any setting that you want. - you can easily find what you need to tweak by running Configure once and looking at the config.sh. For example, try doing ./Configure -des and answer the one question it asks you about your Organization, using a distinctive string like Does Not Exist Then look through `config.sh' for your distinctive string, and find what variable got set to that. Then do make spotless ./Configure -des -Dorgname='Your Real OrgName Here' Although quoting can sometimes be tricky, you can override any of the hundreds of variables that get set by Configure and written into config.sh, using the -D on the command line or a hints file. Configure is not *that* much worse than GNU configure... Tim -- Tim Mooney mooney@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu Information Technology Services (701) 231-1076 (Voice) Room 242-J6, IACC Building (701) 231-8541 (Fax) North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND 58105-5164 ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com