On Sunday, February 27, 2022 8:43:25 AM EST William Morder via tde-users wrote: > > I recently installed Devuan Chimaera on my main machine. I did not > > have time to re-install everything I need for everyday life and will > > probably have to wait until summer for this, but so far and as far > > as browsing and Libre Office are concerned everythin is working. > > > > The machine is a three years old tower with AMD Ryzen and Intel > > Graphics, no nothing fancy. > > > > Thierry > > Okay, so like I said to Nik, I don't know how "fresh" is your > installation. Mine is within the past few days. But at least it gives > me something for comparison. For this comparison to be more exact, it > would have to be a reinstallation or at least an upgrade within the > past few days. (This started maybe the 23rd, the day after that robot > cartoon that I sent; which I say because I was using Icecat when I > originally happened on that page at the New Yorker site.) Today is the > 27th; so about the 23rd until now is what I mean by a "fresh" > installation. > > My machine (description taken from manufacturer's site) is this: > Lenovo Ideapad 3 15 15.6_ Laptop AMD Ryzen 3 8GB Memory 128GB SSD > > I had thought it came with a 250 GB SSD by default; somewhere I have > the original. Anyway, I took out the factory SSD and put in a new 2 TB > SSD, one of those newer ones, SSD2 or whatever they are called. They > look very different from the first run of SSDs. > > For the record, as I stated before, I had voided my warranty within the > first day or so, once I had my new SSD. I fiddled around with trying > to install Whonix, but that proved a bit too complicated for now. > > Within the first few days, I had it up and running tolerably well, and > since then it had only ever improved. Up until a few days ago, things > were working well, and I had not really changed much of anything. > LibreOffice worked, but it's the GUI interface that hurts my eyes and > makes it hard to work. OpenOffice installs, but crashes or doesn't > launch. When I go back to LibreOffice, sometimes that give me a > problem. But in general, Office programs are not the problem here, > because I haven't had either one installed while I've had these recent > issues. > > I did an upgrade, nothing was added. Shortly thereafter, a few of my > programs started acting weird, such as text editors. So I eventually > decided to reinstall my OS, but though to take out non-free and > contrib from my repos before reinstallation. After reinstallation, > same procedures and programs added as usual, I immediately began to > have problems with those browsers mentioned earlier (most "modern" or > "mainstream" browsers such as firefox, icecat, etc., but also > seamonkey, midori, chromium, epiphany, etc.); only palemoon and links2 > are dependable running in the TDE desktop. > > To test whether my changes in repositories had any effect, I put > non-free and contrib back in, did another upgrade, another > reinstallation, and see no appreciable difference regarding these > problems, so once again I took those lines out of my sources.list, > because my network and so on seem to work okay. > > When I booted into my XFCE desktop, which I had used for installation, > all these browsers worked fine. I have not tried either Libre Office > or Open Office to see if they will run under XFCE. > > Regarding Libre Office versus Open Office: I would gladly go with Libre > Office, although I would really like to be able to force my TDE colors > onto the LO GUI interface, because it is actually painful for me to > stare at it for longer than about five minutes. I would still like to > use Open Office, but that may not be possible. My workaround is to > keep exporting my document to a pdf file, then switching to that > screen where I can use kpdf-trinity and my TDE colors; for revisions > and other changes, I switch back to my office program, make those > corrections, export to pdf again, then return to reading the exported > document in kpdf. So it is sort of possible for me to use Libre Office > or Open Office, though this is still not ideal. > > The main problem, as I said, is whatever has caused these browsers and > other programs that cannot the mixed gtk2 and gtk3 that is affecting > either TDE itself, or at any rate my own machine. I have tried taking > those things out, putting them back in; tried taking them out a few at > a time (checking to see what else they will affect), putting them back > in a few at at time. I did not try to track down and purge those > problem Gnomes until long after these problems arose. So I did not > cause my system to break by getting rid of Gnomish dependencies; the > breakage was already happening after a simple upgrade from the same > system which had been running stable since early December. > > Sorry for the lengthy description; but I wanted to lay to rest the > false notion that I somehow did this to myself by removing essential > packages. All I did was a simple upgrade. There after I tried removing > non-free and contrib; then I tried adding them back in. Since then, in > the past few days, I tried a couple new reinstallations, and these > same problems persist. > > I hope this makes clear the general sequence of events that led me into > this mess. As I pointed out earlier, if these browsers work fine in > XFCE but not in TDE, then it seems to me that this ought to concern us > who run TDE, as it could be a sign of what's to come. > > Thanks everybody for your patience. Help or suggestions are > appreciated. > > Bill I'm with Bill on this one. This is pretty much a default install of bullseye, on a 6 core i5 with 32 gigs of dram, I do some design work for my 3d printer using OpenSCAD, and have had to give OpenSCAD access to over 20 gigs to get some renders done. System storage is a 500GB SSD, and /home and swap are on a 2T raid10, made up from 4, 1T SSD's. My gfx stuff runs from AppImages because the distro copies are over a year old and way out of date, the current OpenSCAD AppImage is nearly 20x faster than the distro copy from Jan 2021. Development activity is a new AppImage a week! But while I'd love to put things back on TDE, bullseye and apt refuse to install more than 2 pieces of TDE without going into an endless loop of broken packages that is stopped only by forcibly removeing that which I have tried to install. Couple that with the inability to reboot w/o doing a re-install, which I've now done about 20 damned times, because someplace in my USB tree, there's at least one, and probably more, FDTI usb to serial adaptors that the installer THINKS is a Braille driver, so it, without asking, installs brltty and orca, the speech enabled screen reader no one can understand. And it, if you remove the stuff after the install is done, will NOT reboot past the 10 second mark in the boot log cuz its stuck looking for that crap and can't find it. Very damned distracting when its trying to pronounce every key you type and no one knows how to remove it without filling the boot drive with /var/log/syslog until the system is unusable because of the lags imposed by opening the log when its 50+ megabytes 18 hours after the install, search for the end of it, writing 9 or 10 more lines of error messages and closing the log, for every keystroke typed. The only fix I've found that lets my machine stay up for a few days, (uptime is 7+ days atm) is to find the .conf files in /etc, and direct all that error output to /dev/null. That leaves one line of errors still going to syslog about every 20 seconds as something in systemd.d keeps looking for the speech dispatcher over blue tooth, and there isn't any of that except the keyboad and mouse. So I'm stuck on a plasma desktop thats as buggy as a 6 day old road kill in August. Northern hemisphere summer of course. ;o) Typical of KDE, they get an idea for eye candy but never finish squishing the bugs. 3 or 4 of the desktop backgrounds have a nice analog clock, but no background image is loaded and the clock may be up to several hours out of time with gkrellms excellent digital clock. It only tries to update if you wave the mouse over it. What the hell good is a clock thats frozen in time 99% of the time? Its purty, but it does not work. Right now its stuck at 10:44:35, while gkrellm says its 10:49:19. You may take it that I'm upset. But I'll keep on lurking in case a fix shows up. Thanks for reading my vitriolic spew. Take care and stay well everybody. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. 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