I am not for any absolute rules or perfect solutions. There is no such thing. I agree with both Mikes (or Michaels), at least in part. But it's just common sense, that we ought to avoid getting too deep into certain topics or subjects. No good can come of this. A few random comments here are okay, but if we take the bait, then this always happens. And we end up with dozens of posts about stuff that we've already ranted about dozens of times before, and nothing will ever get resolved or come out of it. If we cannot come to a general consensus just to play nice and try to get along (and we all usually do), then I must join Kate and the Borg, and agree that the human race is evil and must be destroyed. If you don't believe that human beings are evil, and a scourge to the planet, just ask any of the thousands of species of animals and other life that we have made extinct. (Oh yeah, I guess you can't ask them, because they're all DEAD!) In the past I have suggested using a chat client, or IRC, or having a forum with specific off-topic rooms, etc. But again, nothing ever comes of this. If anybody would like to create such a place where we can get off-topic, go crazy, let our freak flags fly ... then I think those persons ought to get busy and start creating it. (I myself have things to do that are more urgent, and claim most of my attention.) Otherwise, I believe we have to make do with what we have. And the mailing list really isn't all that bad; at least, not until one of you says something that is totally stupid and wrong. ;-) But hey, we sometimes slip up and let our human feelings show through. Nothing wrong with that, but we ought to express those sentiments elsewhere (myself included). Bill ____________________________________________________ tde-users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx