Re: Konqueror & FAT32

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> Anno domini 2021 Sat, 16 Jan 16:17:10 -0500
>  BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit:
> > > As usual, the moment you press "send" you find the solution :)
> > > 
> > > Anno domini 2021 Sat, 16 Jan 21:46:46 +0100
> > >  Dr. Nikolaus Klepp scripsit:
> > > > Hi all!
> > > > 
> > > > Anno domini 2021 Sat, 16 Jan 14:57:00 -0500
> > > >  BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit:
> > > > > > On Saturday 16 January 2021 11:19:51 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday 16 January 2021 09:46:12 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi all!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I just found that after my latest updates to 14.0.10 I lost 
the
> > > > > > > > > "Delete" funtionality in konqueror. When I do a right click 
on 
> > at file
> > > > > > > > > on a FAT32 usb thumbdrive, then the context menu pops up 
with 
> > the
> > > > > > > > > "Delete" entry greyed out. Pressing "<DEL>"-key consequently 
des 
> > not
> > > > > > > > > delete the file nor move it to the thrashcan. 
> > Pressing "<shift>+<DEL>"
> > > > > > > > > deletes the file.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Does somebody else see this, too?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nik
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just upgraded a couple days ago, and I don't have that 
problem.
> > > > > > > > Everything works the same as before.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The problem, however, may reside in the flash drive itself, 
and 
> > the 
> > > > > fat32
> > > > > > > > filesystem. I've had problems with both flash drives and SD 
cards:
> > > > > > > > sometimes they mount and behave normally, sometimes not. Do 
you 
> > have the
> > > > > > > > delete function when you are using Konqueror with non-fat 
drives, 
> > such 
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > other
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > hard drives?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You might dig up your konquerorrc file, where the delete 
function 
> > can be
> > > > > > > > set or unset. You might be able to override other changes by 
> > changing
> > > > > > > > that file.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I need to use fat32 because I still have some itsinks clients 
> > (thankfully
> > > > > > > that's fading)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Stock formatted usb and SD cards do exhibit problems like that 
in 
> > general.
> > > > > > > That's why I always format them with linux before use. I never 
have 
> > a
> > > > > > > problem after that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > NTFS, when I have to use that crap, sometimes will. HFS doesn't 
give 
> > me
> > > > > > > much of a problem, less than NTFS more than fat32.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Try clean formatting the drives before use and make use you 
chown to 
> > your
> > > > > > > user just in case.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kate
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Except ... maybe users need to use those items with other devices 
that 
> > do 
> > > > > not 
> > > > > > read Linux filesystems? e.g., SD cards in smartphones, or flash 
drives 
> > to be 
> > > > > > used with other computers. Maybe, the unfortunate user is forced 
by 
> > job or 
> > > > > > circumstances to take those flash drives or SD cards and use them 
on 
> > > > > > [*SHUDDER of horror*] Windozes or Rotten Apples? In such cases, 
fat32 
> > is 
> > > > > read 
> > > > > > by all of them; ext3 or ext4, not. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 'Twould be nice if Linux could handle fat32 sometimes without 
having 
> > to 
> > > > > format 
> > > > > > it to a Linux filesystem. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > :-/
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Bill
> > > > > You misunderstood. Format the drives, using linux, TO fat32. They 
will 
> > work on 
> > > > > windows and apple [*SHUDDER of horror*] etc. It's just that linux 
does 
> > > > > a "clean" format with no empty  spaces or oddities.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Kate
> > > > > ____________________________________________________
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> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Sorry to say, neither does work. I tried it as "superdisk" or with one 
> > partion, the result is the same - "Move to trash" is greyed out and <DEL> 
> > does not work (<shift>+<DEL> does work).
> > > > 
> > > > I tried ext4, too, with the very same behaviour, so it's not 
filesystem 
> > specific. File creation works without problems.
> > > > 
> > > > What's also strange: the konqeror is not notified about changes on 
that 
> > filesystem, e.g. if I create a new file it is not visible in konqueror 
till I 
> > press "F5".
> > > > 
> > > > Oh, I have "udisks2" as helper.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ok, in konqueror settings, tab "behaviour" --> "show delete entry (no 
> > trash)". if this is checked, I get a "Delete" entry in the context menu. 
This 
> > still does not enable "<del>"-key, but for the "usual" user it's ok.
> > > 
> > > Interestingly I cannot identify the corresponding setting 
> > in .trinity/share/config/konquerorrc
> > > 
> > > Nik
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Nik
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also 
sharing 
> > with the NSA, CIA ...
> > > ____________________________________________________
> > " What's also strange: the konqeror is not notified about changes on that 
> > filesystem, e.g. if I create a new file it is not visible in konqueror 
till I 
> > press "F5"."
> > 
> > When is the last time you rebooted X or the entire computer?
> > I'd reboot the computer. The F5 thing happens after a large update (at 
least 
> > in my exp). Try a reboot.
> 
> I power it off when not used and turn it on when I need it (bootime <30sec), 
so it' up just some hours.
> 
> Nik
> 
> > 
> > Kate
> > ____________________________________________________
Rats.

Did you try root and a freshly made user to see if it still does it?
Also, do you have another machine? Try it on there.

Kate

PS 30 secs or less on mine as well. Interesting thing, a mate demanded a side 
by side (well using the same computer, mine) of win10 boot up vs Ali's roll 
of PCLOS aka Big Daddy. BD booted, in less then 30s, to desktop where it took 
win10 an entire 2.4 mins average to boot to desktop. It also took up massive 
amounts of initial storage space. He's now only using win10 for gaming. He's 
now "one of us!"
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