On 2024-05-21 19:20:45 Darrell Anderson via tde-devels wrote: > On 5/21/24 6:56 PM, deloptes via tde-devels wrote: > > we are 3 of us in the household and we use 2800kWh/year which give > > 233/month (and cooking is electric :) ) or 319W/h. All the PCs use about > > 150W/h. I think it is fair, given that I work now from home most of the > > time. > > Sounds as though we both focus on energy conservation. :) Last summer I > replaced most light bulbs in the house with equivalent LEDs. I ran a > rough estimate on the return with the electric bill and decided I would > break even in less than two years not using incandescent bulbs. > > I replaced HDs in some computers with SSDs as well as updating some > monitors to further reduce energy usage. > > >> The real benefit is because I want to. Tinkering with older computers > >> brings me pleasure. Like keeping KDE3 on life support? > > > > Of course you have the right to do it and it is respected. My question > > was why would you try building on that old hardware not why you would use > > TDE on the old hardware. I find it boring ... it is like slooooow > > mooootiooon :) > > Yes, slow compared to modern computers, including 10/100 Mbps NICs (my > 486 has a 10 Mbps NIC!). But I have been using computers for more than > 40 years and at one time these systems were state of the art. The 486 > saw extensive action in the 1990s as my main work horse making a living > as a tech writer. A benefit of this is recognizing how far PCs have come since the IBM PC was released. Most people don't understand how lucky they are these days. :-) > > Desktop environments are a tad slow, which is why I try to compile TDE > for these older systems. Running KDE or GNOME is impossible. Many > functions from the console are acceptably responsive -- not fast but > acceptable. I don't run these systems 24/7 or even daily. Often they sit > for a few weeks until I get the urge to tinker with something specific. > > Important though is I like tinkering with them much like people tinker > with old cars. There is a strong nostalgic effect playing with them. I > wish I still had my C-64 and Amiga 1000 and 3000. I wish I could do with DCOP what I could with the Amiga's inter-application ports. (It's not that DCOP doesn't provide such an interface, but that TDE applications don't provide much in the way of user-level commands; e.g. YAM allows one to easily navigate mail folders, switch mail items, etc.; there are no similar commands in Kmail's DCOP interface, mostly they are involved with manipulating windows, not their contents; and in KDE and TDE there is no information about DCOP capabilities in applications' handbooks, so it's very hard to figure out how to do much with DCOP. > > Another benefit of tinkering is I receive feedback with my daily "admin" > efforts because the systems are slower. I might tweak a system wide > shell script only to find the slower system does not respond like the > other systems. > > I run older Slackware releases on the older hardware. This helps me tune > my "admin" skills in that a lot tends to change from one release to the > next -- in any distro. Every time there is a new release I always find > some of my shell scripts failing on previous releases or the new > release. That helps me keep learning. > > At one time I worked as a Linux admin and I always have been the > computer go-to person in the office. Being retired I like being able to > play admin at home without some numb nut supervisor or owner looking > over my shoulder. > > The tinkering helps me keep my mind ticking. I don't want to start > drooling in my arm chair. I can't stop aging, none of us can, but I can > impede the effects by keeping my mind and body active. > > > It is just unnecessary power consumption. Same with old card, but they at > > least cost something (asset). > > Unnecessary to whom? One person's garbage is another person's treasure > and all that. I also have vintage virtual machines. They get used more > often than the vintage hardware, but nothing simulates real hardware > like real hardware. > > > On the PC I use as server I put SSDs few years ago and moved the TDE repo > > there. With addition of ninja (thanks Slavek) it now builds whole TDE in > > couple of hours. I build few times in qemu for armel/armhf and arm64 ... > > it took almost 2 days. > > Well, a day or two ago I mentioned the wiki listing build times. I wrote > that section long ago after I had just purchased my first dual core. > Build times today make those old wiki times look strange. Leslie -- Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.5 - x86_64 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.1.2 tde-config: 1.0 ____________________________________________________ tde-devels mailing list -- devels@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devels-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/devels@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
