Answers to the most recent emails of both deloptes and Slávek, in that order:
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 18:56 (+0100), deloptes via tde-devels wrote:
> please answer Slaveks question how you exactly run TDE.
> usually I log in via the TDM (login manager) it then takes care to set all
> the pieces needed to run TDE properly.
> If you did so - what is the status of your user profile - any old stuff or
> whatever - perhaps try with a fresh user
I reconfigured my system to use TDM. If I used that *and* chose the
TDE session, kcontrol now has a populated left pane.
Running TDM and choosing another session type (e.g., lxde) did not do
the trick.
So I speculate my original question is answered, in that apparently I
don't need additional packages.
Instead, I pose a new question: why does kcontrol work on my other
system (described in my next comment below) and not on raspian?
>>> tdebase-trinity usually pulls the whole set of packages needed to run
>>> TDE.
>> Well, maybe it should, but I guess it depends on what one exactly
>> means "to run TDE".
> exactly this is what we are trying to find out - because TDE is the
> desktop it covers all the pieces. However you are talking about
> korganiser (the calendar piece as part of the tdepim)
Yes, I am mainly interested in korganizer. On my current system
(Slackware64 14-2, running xdm and fvwm2, using the Slackbuilds on
github to compile R14.0.5), kcontrol has a properly-populated left pane,
even though I am not using tdm and I am not logging in to a TDE session.
>> Sorry it wasn't clear above... when I try to configure korganizer's date
>> and time (i.e., the way it presents the date and time, I am not trying
>> to change the system time), using the korganizer menu item
>> "Settings/Configure Date & Time ..." I get that message.
> This actually invokes the part for the locale settings (I think it
> is part of the tdebase and you have already installed it)
For completeness: As mentioned previously, I am OK with just the
default locale.
>> ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not help:
>> When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all
>> sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I have
>> "Appearance & Themes", "Desktop", "Internet & Network", and so on)
>> is empty. So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for.
>> According to the output of an incantation I found on line, there are
>> 1037 packages with "trinity" in the name which I have not (yet) installed.
>> I guess I could just bite the bullet and start randomly installing
>> things, but if anyone can share some wisdom, it would be most appreciated.
> dpkg -l | grep trinity
ii kamera-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf digital camera io_slave for Konqueror
ii kappfinder-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf non-TDE application finder for TDE
ii kate-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf advanced text editor for TDE
ii kcontrol-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf control center for TDE
ii kcron-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf the Trinity crontab editor
ii kdat-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf a Trinity tape backup tool
ii kdeadmin-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all Transitional dummy package. This can be safely removed after your TDE upgrade has completed.
ii kdesktop-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf miscellaneous binaries and files for the Trinity desktop
ii kfind-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf file-find utility for TDE
ii kghostview-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf PostScript viewer for Trinity
ii khelpcenter-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf help center for TDE
ii kicker-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf desktop panel for TDE
ii klipper-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf clipboard utility for Trinity
ii kmenuedit-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf menu editor for TDE
ii knetworkconf-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity network configuration tool
ii konqueror-nsplugins-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Netscape plugin support for Konqueror
ii konqueror-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf TDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer
ii konsole-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf X terminal emulator for TDE
ii korganizer-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity personal organizer
ii kpackage-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity package management tool
ii kpager-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf desktop pager for TDE
ii kpersonalizer-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf installation personalizer for TDE
ii kregexpeditor-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf graphical regular expression editor plugin for Trinity
ii ksmserver-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf session manager for TDE
ii ksnapshot-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf screenshot utility for Trinity
ii ksplash-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf the TDE splash screen
ii ksysguard-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf system guard for TDE
ii ksysguardd-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf system guard daemon for TDE
ii ksysv-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity SysV-style init configuration editor
ii ktip-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf useful tips for TDE
ii kuser-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity user/group administration tool
ii libarts1c2a-trinity:armhf 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf aRts sound system core components
ii libartsc0-trinity:armhf 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf aRts sound system C support library
ii libkcddb1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf CDDB library for Trinity
ii libkleopatra1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf TDE GnuPG interface libraries
ii libkmime2-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity MIME interface library
ii libkonq4-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf core libraries for Konqueror
ii libkpimexchange1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity PIM Exchange library
ii libkpimidentities1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity PIM user identity information library
ii libktnef1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Library for handling KTNEF email attachments
ii libtdepim1a-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity PIM library
ii libtqt3-integration-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Integration library between TQt3 and TDE
ii tde-systemsettings-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf easy to use control centre for TDE
ii tdeadmin-tdefile-plugins-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity file metainfo plugins for deb and rpm files
ii tdeadmin-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all system administration tools from the official Trinity release
ii tdebase-data-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all shared data files for the TDE base module
ii tdebase-runtime-data-common-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all Shared common files for Trinity and KDE4
ii tdebase-tdeio-plugins-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf core I/O slaves for TDE
ii tdebase-tdeio-smb-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf SMB I/O slave for TDE
ii tdebase-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all base components from the official TDE release
ii tdebase-trinity-bin 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf core binaries for the TDE base module
ii tdelibs-data-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all core shared data for all TDE applications
ii tdelibs14-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf core libraries and binaries for all TDE applications
ii tdemultimedia-tdeio-plugins-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf enables the browsing of audio CDs under Konqueror
ii tdepasswd-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf password changer for TDE
ii tdeprint-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf print system for TDE
ii tdm-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf X display manager for TDE
ii trinity-keyring 4:14.0.10~pre0-0debian7.0.0+1 all GnuPG keys of the Trinity Desktop Environment repository
ii twin-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf the TDE window manager
> dpkg -l | grep trinity | wc -l
59
> what packages and how many do you have?
As above.
> are they fully installed (line starts with ii)
So dpkg claims.
> if packages are not fully installed or missing - this could explain the
> issue.
> I installed yesterday the RPi4 by installing tdebase-trinity & co -
> about 50 or 100 packages. Then I installed tdepim and some other
> that pulled many dependencies - about 700+
I did not install tdepim because I just wanted korganizer.
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 19:00 (+0100), Slávek Banko via tde-devels wrote:
> On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 18:42:12 Jim via tde-devels wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 17:36 (+0100), Slávek Banko via tde-devels
> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 16:49:00 Jim via tde-devels wrote:
>>>> ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not help:
>>>> When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all
>>>> sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I have
>>>> "Appearance & Themes", "Desktop", "Internet & Network", and so on)
>>>> is empty. Â So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for.
>>>> According to the output of an incantation I found on line, there are
>>>> 1037 packages with "trinity" in the name which I have not (yet)
>>>> installed. I guess I could just bite the bullet and start randomly
>>>> installing things, but if anyone can share some wisdom, it would be
>>>> most appreciated.
>>> Are you running a full TDE session or just a single application?
>> Just a single application korganizer (of course, running korganizer
>> starts some of its friends, such as artsd and korgac and dcopserver
>> and knotify and kded and tdeinit and tdelauncher and tdeio_file).
>> At this point, korganizer seems to be working fine, with the exception
>> that I can't configure a few things related to date and time.
>> ____________________________________________________
> Ok, I thought so, that explains it. There is a problem that when
> used without a full session, windows like kcontrol do not work
> properly. Unfortunately, the cause of this problem has not yet been
> traced.
OK, thanks for that information.
> Can you try it in a full TDE session?
Yes, as described above, if by "full session" we mean do both
-> use tdm display manager
and
-> start TDE session
then it works.
Given my "essentially nil" understanding of the code base, I don't
know if I can be much help tracking this down, but if you want me to
give something a try, just let me know.
Cheers.
Jim
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