Re: Time for a new project leader? -- Re: [trinity-devel] Time for community-managed infrastructure for TDE stable?

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Hi all!

+1 for all.

Nik

Anno domini 2019 Fri, 26 Jul 22:23:43 +0800
 Michele Calgaro via trinity-devel scripsit:
> On 2019/07/26 02:48 AM, Sl?vek Banko wrote:
> > On Thursday 25 of July 2019 17:13:23 Mike Bird wrote:
> >> TDE Devs,
> >>
> >> I hesitate to send this to a do-ocracy when I don't have the time to do it myself but I think this warrants a
> >> ping.
> >>
> >> I rate myself as a software engineer with an excellent track record in (proprietary) database managers, AI, and
> >> systems software.  I've designed software, lead software teams, and picked up other's failing projects and
> >> literally worked and slept in my office to ship on time.
> >>
> >> But I would never have thought that what Tim did was possible.  The solo fork and improvement of TDE was a
> >> massive undertaking in which Tim succeeded brilliantly.  Whether or not Tim ever touches TDE again I have an
> >> enormous respect for his courage, talent, and achievement.
> >>
> >> But now others have taken up the mantle.
> >>
> >> The original TDE infrastructure has been broken in various ways for a long time.  The stable mirrors have been
> >> unable to update for eight months.  The trinitydesktop.org domain expires in March and there is no guarantee that
> >> the original TDE infrastucture will continue to stumble along even that long.
> >>
> >> TDE 14.0.7 is currently in PSB.  Waiting for 14.0.8 might be too late.  I would like to see TDE 14.0.7, either
> >> when it goes stable or soon thereafter, on community-managed infrastructure.
> >>
> >> --Mike
> >>
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I will try to summarize information on what resources we have now, what is the current status and what are the
> > plans that we have. Although I will try to be brief, the mail will be a bit long...
> >
> >
> > 1. Primary site
> >
> > Here are a number of services that are mostly on shared machines where only Tim can manage it and cannot give
> > access to other admins.
> >
> > + web server + mailing lists + wiki + bugzilla + git repositories - SCM, CGIT + automated scripts for master
> > branch + crashreports store + patchwork + quickbuild + archive for mirrors
> >
> >
> > 2. VPS donated by vpsFree.org
> >
> > This VPS initially provided the mirror function for the GIT repositories and at the same time has the role of a
> > highly optimized primary redirector for accessing the package archive.
> >
> > Currently, TDE Gitea Workspace (TGW) and TDE Weblate Translation Workspace (TWTW) are hosted on this VPS. As a
> > result, VPS is now the main place where developers and other contributors work. This allows us to work on
> > development independently on the primary site. Git repositories is now not just a mirror, but is bi-directionally
> > synchronized with the primary site.
> >
> > Another thing is that a Preliminary Stable Builds (PSB) repository has existed for a long time and later a
> > Preliminary Testing Builds (PTB) repository was created. These Debian / Devuan / Raspbian / Ubuntu repositories
> > provide preliminery packages for stable branch as well as packages for master branch => equivalent of
> > nightly-builds. These packages are built on builders I have in my management, completely independent of QuickBuild.
> > These repositories are now provided primarily on this VPS.
> >
> > For this VPS we don't have to worry about hardware => it provides vpsFree.org. To manage system on VPS and the
> > services we have here, it's me and Michele who can manage it. And here is no problem to add other administrators.
> >
> > + git repositories - CGIT + TGW - a tool for developers collaboration and manage issues + TWTW - a tool to work on
> > translations + automated scripts for all branches + primary redirector to access the archive
> >
> >
> > 3. Dedicated TDE Box donated by Integricloud
> >
> > Integricloud, a company associated with Tim, has provided us a dedicated hardward box on the POWER9 platform. This
> > is a machine with very good performance. Because it's dedicated hardware, Tim, I and Michele can manage the virtual
> > machines and services on this box. And here is no problem to add other administrators.
> >
> > Here is the plan that services from the primary site will be migrated to the virtual machines on this box. We are
> > currently preparing virtual machines on this box. However, for the migration plan and migration work we will again
> > need participation from Tim, who has been busy for a long time. And unfortunately for some time again is not
> > contact with him.
> >
> >
> > 4. Plans for the future
> >
> > Because problems on the primary site combined with Tim's unavailability are not here for the first time, we have
> > been working for a long time to setup alternative services to minimize dependence on the primary site. Currently we
> > are ready to be independent on the primary site for services:
> >
> > + web server + mailing lists + git repositories - CGIT, TGW, TWTW + automated scripts for all branches + repository
> > and builders - PSB, PTB + archive for mirrors - reorganized structure, cleaning done, added missing things, for
> > example source tarballs for R14.0.6 are here
> >
> > Thanks to the TDE box donated by Integricloud and VPS donated by vpsFree.org, we currently have good resources to
> > provide services availability. What needs to be solved is to prepare a migration plan and then migrate the
> > services. I propose that we can gradually discuss individual services to be migrated here and prepare a migration
> > plan.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> 
> Dear all,
> in addition to Slavek's excellent description of the current hardware/services situation, I would like to add one more
> thing.
> 
> I believe a project leader should be actively involved with the project he/she is leading, possibly daily or at least
> weekly.
> I share Mike's huge respect for Tim's work and for what he has done for TDE, but it is a fact that in the last 3 or 4
> years Tim has seldom interacted or followed TDE.
> I think the time is ripe to propose a change in project leadership and I would like to put forward Slavek as candidate
> to such role. Slavek has been doing a great job for TDE since the time he joined the project and he has been
> contributing daily for many many years by now.
> 
> Please don't be shy and let us know your opinion on this point.
> Once again, huge respect for Tim and for what he has done for TDE :-)
> 
> Cheers
>   Michele
> 
> 
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