Re: vt220 default for serial console still relevant?

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Note there is an easy way to override term type.
The default serial-getty@.service at least here has no TERM set by
default, but uses it to set term type when launching getty.
You can use kernel command line and add TERM=screen for example, or
things like that, and it should be picked up, shouldn't it?
W dniu 15.07.2020 o 00:44, Christopher Cox pisze:
> On 7/14/20 4:27 PM, Mantas Mikulėnas wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 9:48 PM Daan De Meyer
>> <daan.j.demeyer@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:daan.j.demeyer@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>>     I just tried vt241 and didn't get colorized output in konsole. I
>> looked
>>     around a bit and it doesn't really seem supported at all by terminal
>>     emulators (or at least none that I found). I also tried
>> TERM=xterm-256color
>>     with 8 different terminal emulators and got colors with all of
>> them. My
>>     workflow is simply "mkosi qemu -nographic" (with a modified mkosi
>> that adds
>>     console=ttyS0 and overrides TERM for serial-getty@ttyS0 in the
>> vm)." That
>>     connects my terminal emulator to the serial console of the vm. I then
>>     execute "ls -l --color /" in the vm and get colored output every
>> time in
>>     whatever terminal emulator that I try.
>>
>>     I'm probably missing something but I'm wondering what an example
>> terminal
>>     emulator would be where xterm-256color would not work at all (even
>> st worked
>>     perfectly and that is supposed to be pretty barebones afaik). Or
>> is it just
>>     that color is a commonly supported subset of xterm and stuff
>> breaks down
>>     with other escape codes instead? Or maybe qemu is doing some kind of
>>     translation that magically makes every TERM setting work in whatever
>>     terminal emulator I try? Apologies if this seems ignorant, I have no
>>     experience at all with this domain.
>>
>>
>> The basic formatting codes (bold, reverse, 8/16-color) are practically
>> the same everywhere. In fact they're so widespread that many programs
>> and scripts just straight up hardcode them. (xterm, st, etc. are
>> supersets of vt220/vt421 in that regard.)
>>
>> But 256-color or even 24-bit-color codes are not as widely supported.
>> The Linux VT has only recently started *recognizing* them (though
>> still maps them down to 8 colors). If you use TERM=xterm-256color with
>> Linux VT, apps can look really weird because you told them they can
>> use these extended color codes even though they cannot.
>>
>> Graphical terminal emulators recognize the "update status line" codes
>> (which goes the X11 window titlebar) -- but the Linux VT has no such
>> thing and the same code will just show up as garbage on screen.
>>
>> Google tells me VT421 supported sixel graphics. I'm not sure if any
>> programs make use of that nowadays, but if they do, then trying to use
>> TERM=vt421 with a terminal that doesn't do sixel will result in more
>> garbage on screen.
>>
>> There are various other differences like this.
> 
> Boot up logs should target "dumb" terminal only.
> 
> So, in the case of boot logs (where we have no idea where messages are
> going), if you want "color", I'd use some kind of markup and allow to be
> interpreted by whatever is viewing that.
> 
> But with regards to logs presumably going to a terminal (real or virtual
> or whatever), I'd lean on terminfo and end user selection (which could
> be by TERM in the case of an established terminal).
> 
> And of course, if it's ok for Dell/HP/IBM to assume Hyperterminal (ansi,
> 80x25) for BIOS setup,etc via serial, maybe it's not too far a stretch
> for Linux to assume something.  But IMHO, if at all possible, I'd make
> this configurable and again, lean on terminfo.
> 
> Personally I like log data that is parseable.  And data with a gazillion
> escape sequences is very noisy to look at.  Perhaps another reason for
> some sort of simple markup instead of escape sequences (?).  Hey, our
> developers are constantly hard coding ansi-escapes into their log
> messages so they look "pretty" in very very specific viewers.  Not the
> way I'd handle it.
> 
> 
> 
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