This is still a problem with systemd-242-5.git7a6d834.fc31.x86_64 If I boot using 'systemd.journald.forward_to_console=1 console=ttyS0,38400 console=tty1 systemd.log_level=debug rd.debug rd.udev.debug' There is no debug output forwarded to console, only kernel messages and normal systemd logging is forwarded. And of course this bug means that those debug messages are lost once the vaccuuming happens. If I boot using 'systemd.log_level=debug rd.debug rd.udev.debug systemd.log_target=kmsg log_buf_len=64M printk.devkmsg=on' For sure a bunch of dracut messages are not being forwarded to kmsg, none of the rd.live.image debug stuff is listed, so I can't even see how things are being assembled for live boots, with time stamps, to see if that stuff might not be ready at the time journald switches from using /run/log to /var/log. I can't even see in kmsg the journald switch from /run/log to /var/log. That itself seems like a bug, given systemd.log_target=kmsg, I'd like to think that should cause an exact copy to dump to kmsg, of what's going to system.journal but apparently that's not the case. So far nothing I've tried gets me access to information that would give a hint why systemd-journald thinks there's no free space and yet it still decides to create a single 8MB system journal, which then almost immediately gets deleted, including all the evidence up to that point. For sure sysroot and / are available rw by these points: <31>[ 10.898648] systemd[1]: sysroot.mount: About to execute: /usr/bin/mount /dev/mapper/live-rw /sysroot ... <31>[ 12.061370] systemctl[879]: Switching root - root: /sysroot; init: n/a This is the loss of the journal up to this point: <47>[ 24.318297] systemd-journald[905]: /var/log/journal/05d0a9c86a0e4bbcb36c5e0082b987ee/system.journal: Allocation limit reached, rotating. <47>[ 24.318315] systemd-journald[905]: Rotating... <47>[ 24.332853] systemd-journald[905]: Reserving 147626 entries in hash table. <47>[ 24.367396] systemd-journald[905]: Vacuuming... <47>[ 24.389952] systemd-journald[905]: Deleted archived journal /var/log/journal/05d0a9c86a0e4bbcb36c5e0082b987ee/system@2f2d06548b5f4c259693b56558cc89c6-0000000000000001-00058dbdb33d1f5e.journal (8.0M). <47>[ 24.389965] systemd-journald[905]: Vacuuming done, freed 8.0M of archived journals from /var/log/journal/05d0a9c86a0e4bbcb36c5e0082b987ee. <47>[ 24.390015] systemd-journald[905]: Journal effective settings seal=no compress=yes compress_threshold_bytes=512B <47>[ 24.390126] systemd-journald[905]: Retrying write. Retrying what write and why does it need to retry? What failed? -- Chris Murphy _______________________________________________ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel