When I boot Fedora 30/Rawhide Workstation (LiveOS install media) in a VM with ~2GiB memory, using any combination of systemd, dracut, or udev debugging, events are missing from the journal. systemd-241-7.gita2eaa1c.fc30.x86_64 systemd-242-3.git7a6d834.fc31.x86_64 'journalctl -b -o short-monotonic' starts at ~22s monotonic time. i.e. all the messages before that are not in the journal. This problem doesn't happen with netinstalls. Fedora LiveOS boots setup a memory based persistent overlay, and /var/log/journal exists and systemd-journald tries to flush there, whereas on netinstalls /var/log/journal does not exist. Using systemd.log_target=kmsg I discovered that systemd-journald is deleting logs in the LiveOS case, but I don't know why, / has ~750M free [ 24.910792] systemd-journald[922]: Vacuuming... [ 24.921802] systemd-journald[922]: Deleted archived journal /var/log/journal/05d0a9c86a0e4bbcb36c5e0082b987ee/system@818f3f40f19849e08a1b37b9c1e304f1-0000000000000001-00058ba31bec725e.journal (8.0M). [ 24.921808] systemd-journald[922]: Vacuuming done, freed 8.0M of archived journals from /var/log/journal/05d0a9c86a0e4bbcb36c5e0082b987ee. I filed a bug here and have nominated it as a blocker bug for the F31 cycle. LiveOS boot, journalctl is missing many early messages https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1715699 Comments 8 and 9 most relevent at this point (rather noisy troubleshooting before that). A related question is whether it's even appropriate or /var/log/journal to exist on LiveOS boots, rather than just have journals go to /run/log/journal? Obviously we must have the entire journal for LiveOS boots, from monotonic time 0.0, no matter the debug options chosen, I'd say for at least 5 minutes? Almost immediately dropping the first 30s just because I've got debug options set is a big problem for troubleshooting other problems with early startup of install images. Thanks, -- Chris Murphy _______________________________________________ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel