Hi, Joel,
On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 11:24 AM Joel Fernandes <joel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 1:03 AM Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Joel,
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 11:32 PM Joel Fernandes <joel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 4:31 AM Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Joel,
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 11:05 AM Joel Fernandes <joel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 10:36 PM Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi, Joel,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 1:54 AM Joel Fernandes <joel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 4:14 AM Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The KGDB initial breakpoint gets an rcu stall warning after commit
> > > > > > > > a80be428fbc1f1f3bc9ed924 ("rcu: Do not disable GP stall detection in
> > > > > > > > rcu_cpu_stall_reset()").
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [ 53.452051] rcu: INFO: rcu_preempt self-detected stall on CPU
> > > > > > > > [ 53.487950] rcu: 3-...0: (1 ticks this GP) idle=0e2c/1/0x4000000000000000 softirq=375/375 fqs=8
> > > > > > > > [ 53.528243] rcu: (t=12297 jiffies g=-995 q=1 ncpus=4)
> > > > > > > > [ 53.564840] CPU: 3 PID: 1 Comm: swapper/0 Not tainted 6.5.0-rc2+ #4848
> > > > > > > > [ 53.603005] Hardware name: Loongson Loongson-3A5000-HV-7A2000-1w-V0.1-CRB/Loongson-LS3A5000-7A2000-1w-CRB-V1.21, BIOS Loongson-UDK2018-V2.0.05099-beta8 08
> > > > > > > > [ 53.682062] pc 9000000000332100 ra 90000000003320f4 tp 90000001000a0000 sp 90000001000a3710
> > > > > > > > [ 53.724934] a0 9000000001d4b488 a1 0000000000000000 a2 0000000000000001 a3 0000000000000000
> > > > > > > > [ 53.768179] a4 9000000001d526c8 a5 90000001000a38f0 a6 000000000000002c a7 0000000000000000
> > > > > > > > [ 53.810751] t0 00000000000002b0 t1 0000000000000004 t2 900000000131c9c0 t3 fffffffffffffffa
> > > > > > > > [ 53.853249] t4 0000000000000080 t5 90000001002ac190 t6 0000000000000004 t7 9000000001912d58
> > > > > > > > [ 53.895684] t8 0000000000000000 u0 90000000013141a0 s9 0000000000000028 s0 9000000001d512f0
> > > > > > > > [ 53.937633] s1 9000000001d51278 s2 90000001000a3798 s3 90000000019fc410 s4 9000000001d4b488
> > > > > > > > [ 53.979486] s5 9000000001d512f0 s6 90000000013141a0 s7 0000000000000078 s8 9000000001d4b450
> > > > > > > > [ 54.021175] ra: 90000000003320f4 kgdb_cpu_enter+0x534/0x640
> > > > > > > > [ 54.060150] ERA: 9000000000332100 kgdb_cpu_enter+0x540/0x640
> > > > > > > > [ 54.098347] CRMD: 000000b0 (PLV0 -IE -DA +PG DACF=CC DACM=CC -WE)
> > > > > > > > [ 54.136621] PRMD: 0000000c (PPLV0 +PIE +PWE)
> > > > > > > > [ 54.172192] EUEN: 00000000 (-FPE -SXE -ASXE -BTE)
> > > > > > > > [ 54.207838] ECFG: 00071c1c (LIE=2-4,10-12 VS=7)
> > > > > > > > [ 54.242503] ESTAT: 00000800 [INT] (IS=11 ECode=0 EsubCode=0)
> > > > > > > > [ 54.277996] PRID: 0014c011 (Loongson-64bit, Loongson-3A5000-HV)
> > > > > > > > [ 54.313544] CPU: 3 PID: 1 Comm: swapper/0 Not tainted 6.5.0-rc2+ #4848
> > > > > > > > [ 54.430170] Stack : 0072617764726148 0000000000000000 9000000000223504 90000001000a0000
> > > > > > > > [ 54.472308] 9000000100073a90 9000000100073a98 0000000000000000 9000000100073bd8
> > > > > > > > [ 54.514413] 9000000100073bd0 9000000100073bd0 9000000100073a00 0000000000000001
> > > > > > > > [ 54.556018] 0000000000000001 9000000100073a98 99828271f24e961a 90000001002810c0
> > > > > > > > [ 54.596924] 0000000000000001 0000000000010003 0000000000000000 0000000000000001
> > > > > > > > [ 54.637115] ffff8000337cdb80 0000000000000001 0000000006360000 900000000131c9c0
> > > > > > > > [ 54.677049] 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 90000000017b4c98 9000000001912000
> > > > > > > > [ 54.716394] 9000000001912f68 9000000001913000 9000000001912f70 00000000000002b0
> > > > > > > > [ 54.754880] 90000000014a8840 0000000000000000 900000000022351c 0000000000000000
> > > > > > > > [ 54.792372] 00000000000002b0 000000000000000c 0000000000000000 0000000000071c1c
> > > > > > > > [ 54.829302] ...
> > > > > > > > [ 54.859163] Call Trace:
> > > > > > > > [ 54.859165] [<900000000022351c>] show_stack+0x5c/0x180
> > > > > > > > [ 54.918298] [<90000000012f6100>] dump_stack_lvl+0x60/0x88
> > > > > > > > [ 54.949251] [<90000000012dd5d8>] rcu_dump_cpu_stacks+0xf0/0x148
> > > > > > > > [ 54.981116] [<90000000002d2fb8>] rcu_sched_clock_irq+0xb78/0xe60
> > > > > > > > [ 55.012744] [<90000000002e47cc>] update_process_times+0x6c/0xc0
> > > > > > > > [ 55.044169] [<90000000002f65d4>] tick_sched_timer+0x54/0x100
> > > > > > > > [ 55.075488] [<90000000002e5174>] __hrtimer_run_queues+0x154/0x240
> > > > > > > > [ 55.107347] [<90000000002e6288>] hrtimer_interrupt+0x108/0x2a0
> > > > > > > > [ 55.139112] [<9000000000226418>] constant_timer_interrupt+0x38/0x60
> > > > > > > > [ 55.170749] [<90000000002b3010>] __handle_irq_event_percpu+0x50/0x160
> > > > > > > > [ 55.203141] [<90000000002b3138>] handle_irq_event_percpu+0x18/0x80
> > > > > > > > [ 55.235064] [<90000000002b9d54>] handle_percpu_irq+0x54/0xa0
> > > > > > > > [ 55.266241] [<90000000002b2168>] generic_handle_domain_irq+0x28/0x40
> > > > > > > > [ 55.298466] [<9000000000aba95c>] handle_cpu_irq+0x5c/0xa0
> > > > > > > > [ 55.329749] [<90000000012f7270>] handle_loongarch_irq+0x30/0x60
> > > > > > > > [ 55.361476] [<90000000012f733c>] do_vint+0x9c/0x100
> > > > > > > > [ 55.391737] [<9000000000332100>] kgdb_cpu_enter+0x540/0x640
> > > > > > > > [ 55.422440] [<9000000000332b64>] kgdb_handle_exception+0x104/0x180
> > > > > > > > [ 55.452911] [<9000000000232478>] kgdb_loongarch_notify+0x38/0xa0
> > > > > > > > [ 55.481964] [<900000000026b4d4>] notify_die+0x94/0x100
> > > > > > > > [ 55.509184] [<90000000012f685c>] do_bp+0x21c/0x340
> > > > > > > > [ 55.562475] [<90000000003315b8>] kgdb_compiled_break+0x0/0x28
> > > > > > > > [ 55.590319] [<9000000000332e80>] kgdb_register_io_module+0x160/0x1c0
> > > > > > > > [ 55.618901] [<9000000000c0f514>] configure_kgdboc+0x154/0x1c0
> > > > > > > > [ 55.647034] [<9000000000c0f5e0>] kgdboc_probe+0x60/0x80
> > > > > > > > [ 55.674647] [<9000000000c96da8>] platform_probe+0x68/0x100
> > > > > > > > [ 55.702613] [<9000000000c938e0>] really_probe+0xc0/0x340
> > > > > > > > [ 55.730528] [<9000000000c93be4>] __driver_probe_device+0x84/0x140
> > > > > > > > [ 55.759615] [<9000000000c93cdc>] driver_probe_device+0x3c/0x120
> > > > > > > > [ 55.787990] [<9000000000c93e8c>] __device_attach_driver+0xcc/0x160
> > > > > > > > [ 55.817145] [<9000000000c91290>] bus_for_each_drv+0x90/0x100
> > > > > > > > [ 55.845654] [<9000000000c94328>] __device_attach+0xa8/0x1a0
> > > > > > > > [ 55.874145] [<9000000000c925f0>] bus_probe_device+0xb0/0xe0
> > > > > > > > [ 55.902572] [<9000000000c8ec7c>] device_add+0x65c/0x860
> > > > > > > > [ 55.930635] [<9000000000c96704>] platform_device_add+0x124/0x2c0
> > > > > > > > [ 55.959669] [<9000000001452b38>] init_kgdboc+0x58/0xa0
> > > > > > > > [ 55.987677] [<900000000022015c>] do_one_initcall+0x7c/0x1e0
> > > > > > > > [ 56.016134] [<9000000001420f1c>] kernel_init_freeable+0x22c/0x2a0
> > > > > > > > [ 56.045128] [<90000000012f923c>] kernel_init+0x20/0x124
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Currently rcu_cpu_stall_reset() set rcu_state.jiffies_stall to one check
> > > > > > > > period later, i.e. jiffies + rcu_jiffies_till_stall_check(). But jiffies
> > > > > > > > is only updated in the timer interrupt, so when kgdb_cpu_enter() begins
> > > > > > > > to run there may already be nearly one rcu check period after jiffies.
> > > > > > > > Since all interrupts are disabled during kgdb_cpu_enter(), jiffies will
> > > > > > > > not be updated. When kgdb_cpu_enter() returns, rcu_state.jiffies_stall
> > > > > > > > maybe already gets timeout.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We can set rcu_state.jiffies_stall to two rcu check periods later, e.g.
> > > > > > > > jiffies + (rcu_jiffies_till_stall_check() * 2) in rcu_cpu_stall_reset()
> > > > > > > > to avoid this problem. But this isn't a complete solution because kgdb
> > > > > > > > may take a very long time in irq disabled context.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Instead, update jiffies at the beginning of rcu_cpu_stall_reset() can
> > > > > > > > solve all kinds of problems [1]. But this causes a new problem because
> > > > > > > > updating jiffies is not NMI safe while rcu_cpu_stall_reset() may be used
> > > > > > > > in NMI context.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So we don't update the global jiffies, but only add the time 'delta' to
> > > > > > > > jiffies locally at the beginning of rcu_cpu_stall_reset() which has the
> > > > > > > > same effect.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/rcu/20230814020045.51950-1-chenhuacai@xxxxxxxxxxx/T/#t
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cc: stable@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > Fixes: a80be428fbc1f1f3bc9ed924 ("rcu: Do not disable GP stall detection in rcu_cpu_stall_reset()")
> > > > > > > > Reported-off-by: Binbin Zhou <zhoubinbin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h | 6 +++++-
> > > > > > > > 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > diff --git a/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h b/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
> > > > > > > > index b10b8349bb2a..1bf1306cae23 100644
> > > > > > > > --- a/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
> > > > > > > > +++ b/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
> > > > > > > > @@ -153,8 +153,12 @@ static void panic_on_rcu_stall(void)
> > > > > > > > */
> > > > > > > > void rcu_cpu_stall_reset(void)
> > > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > > + unsigned long delta;
> > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > + delta = nsecs_to_jiffies(ktime_get_ns() - ktime_get_coarse_ns());
> > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > WRITE_ONCE(rcu_state.jiffies_stall,
> > > > > > > > - jiffies + rcu_jiffies_till_stall_check());
> > > > > > > > + jiffies + delta + rcu_jiffies_till_stall_check());
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is certainly better than magic numbers, but I was still wondering
> > > > > > > how the delta really works. What are typical values of delta, and why
> > > > > > > is that equivalent to updating jiffies?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can you provide more technical details about why it turns out to be
> > > > > > > effectively the number of jiffies that the jiffies are off by?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also, how often do you see that an NMI is required to prevent a KGDB
> > > > > > > stall? If not, just do:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > void rcu_cpu_stall_reset(void) {
> > > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > if (!in_nmi) {
> > > > > > > do_jiffies_update();
> > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > WRITE_ONCE(rcu_state.jiffies_stall, ..);
> > > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > }
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But if your solution provides accurate results, that's fine with me. I
> > > > > > > just don't understand coarse ktime that much and how it differs from
> > > > > > > regular ktime, so I appreciate the education ;-)
> > > > > > ktime_get() get the accurate current time from clocksource,
> > > > > > ktime_get_coarse() get the coarse current time from jiffies. Below is
> > > > > > from Documentation/core-api/timekeeping.rst:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The time returned here corresponds to the last timer tick, which
> > > > > > may be as much as 10ms in the past (for CONFIG_HZ=100), same as
> > > > > > reading the 'jiffies' variable. These are only useful when called
> > > > > > in a fast path and one still expects better than second accuracy,
> > > > > > but can't easily use 'jiffies', e.g. for inode timestamps."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, the delta between ktime_get() and ktime_get_coarse() is accurately
> > > > > > the delta when we update jiffies.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That sounds good to me then! I see you added Thomas so let us see if
> > > > > he yells back.
> > > > >
> > > > > But in the meanwhile, maybe you could also do some testing (if you
> > > > > want to) something like:
> > > > > =====
> > > > > old_jiffies = jiffies;
> > > > > delta = nsecs_to_jiffies(ktime_get_ns() - ktime_get_coarse_ns());
> > > > >
> > > > > /* do the jiffies update here */
> > > > >
> > > > > WARN_ON_ONCE(jiffies - old_jiffies != delta);
> > > > > =====
> > > > Thank you for your advice, I do an experiment with the code below:
> > > >
> > > > void rcu_cpu_stall_reset(void)
> > > > {
> > > > unsigned long delta;
> > > > u64 old = jiffies;
> > > > u64 now = ktime_get_ns();
> > > >
> > > > delta = nsecs_to_jiffies(now - ktime_get_coarse_ns());
> > > > tick_do_update_jiffies64(now);
> > > > printk("jiffies - old = %lld, delta = %ld\n", jiffies - old, delta);
> > > >
> > > > WRITE_ONCE(rcu_state.jiffies_stall,
> > > > jiffies + delta + rcu_jiffies_till_stall_check());
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > > My machine has a quad-core cpu. I try 2 times, and I get:
> > > >
> > > > [ 56.178011] jiffies - old = 13028, delta = 13028 #HZ=250, ~50s
> > > > [ 56.178010] jiffies - old = 13028, delta = 13028
> > > > [ 56.178010] jiffies - old = 13028, delta = 13028
> > > > [ 56.178012] jiffies - old = 13028, delta = 13028
> > > >
> > > > [ 84.722304] jiffies - old = 6955, delta = 6955 #HZ=250, ~27s
> > > > [ 84.722304] jiffies - old = 6955, delta = 6955
> > > > [ 84.722304] jiffies - old = 6955, delta = 6955
> > > > [ 84.722306] jiffies - old = 6955, delta = 6955
> > >
> > > Looks good and my testing went good as well. However, since we were
> > > worried about rcu_cpu_stall_reset() called from the NMI context, isn't
> > > ktime_get_mono_fast_ns() supposed to be the NMI safe version, which
> > > implies the others may not be? I am happy to be corrected on that...
> > > but the last thing we want is rcu_cpu_stall_reset() deadlocking in the
> > > timekeeping seq latch during a timekeeping update.
> > When Z. qiang first talks about the NMI issue, he means the update
> > code will acquire jiffies_lock raw spinlock, which causes deadlock.
> >
> > ktime_get() is another story, when we say it is not NMI safe, we don't
> > mean deadlock because it doesn't acquire spinlock. We just mean that
> > it may get a wrong value because jiffies update is not an atomic
> > operation.
>
> No, it can deadlock in a different way.
>
> ktime_get() calls read_seqcount_begin() which can busy-loop if a
> writer is in progress. You can see this in the code for
> read_seqcount_begin().
>
> If you call it from an NMI context, and the NMI context happens to
> interrupt a *timekeeping* update, you can lockup forever.
>
> You cannot safely interrupt the write-side section of a sequence lock
> reader, and that's exactly what you're doing when you call ktime_get()
> in an NMI context.
>
> That's what sequence *latch* is for.
>
> See comments about sequence latch where it specifically calls out NMIs:
> * Latch sequence counters (seqcount_latch_t)
> *
> * A sequence counter variant where the counter even/odd value is used to
> * switch between two copies of protected data. This allows the read path,
> * typically NMIs, to safely interrupt the write side critical section.
> *
> * As the write sections are fully preemptible, no special handling for
> * PREEMPT_RT is needed.
> */
>
> So I just can't see how you can call ktime_get() in an NMI context the
> way you are calling... What am I missing?
Yes, you are right, and I have a NMI safe solution now.
void rcu_cpu_stall_reset(void)
{
u64 old, new, delta;
new = ktime_get_mono_fast_ns();
old = ktime_get_seconds() * NSEC_PER_SEC;
delta = nsecs_to_jiffies(new - old);
WRITE_ONCE(rcu_state.jiffies_stall,
jiffies + delta + rcu_jiffies_till_stall_check());
}
Huacai
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Joel
