On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Stefano Stabellini >> <stefano.stabellini@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Steven Rostedt wrote: >> >> The last thing I want to do is to lower the quality of the kernel just >> >> to get a wider range of developers. >> > >> > Can we stop bringing the quality of the code into the discussion? >> >> Can you please stop calling open communication abuse? > > Open communication is one thing, abuse is another, so I agree with you > there. You call it abuse, others don't. >> First you have >> to explain *why* it was improper in order to call it abuse, and in the >> few examples that have been shown, it has been explained that the >> behavior was justified (breaking the #1 rule by a lieutenant who >> should know better). > > Abuse is never justified, I hope that's clear for everybody. > Two wrongs don't make a right. > > So we are down to the definition of verbal abuse. > The Oxford dictionary gives me: > > "speak to (someone) in an insulting and offensive way" Here's another definition from Merriam Webster: * language that condemns or vilifies usually unjustly, intemperately, and angrily That definition fits my idea of abuse. Linus was not unjust, so it's not abuse. > For example I think that calling somebody a moron qualifies. I don't, specially if the person is indeed being a moron. >> > I think it's pretty clear that one doesn't need to be verbally abusive >> > in order to stop bad code from getting into the kernel. >> >> You can think whatever you want, others have already shown that >> changing the tone of the message in the examples would have changed >> the desired effect. > > I disagree and it is certainly not the case in my experience. Suit yourself. If want you wanted was to voice your opinion, I think you have already done that. -- Felipe Contreras -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe stable" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html