On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 01:27:42PM +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Ben Hutchings <ben@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 22:09 -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote: > > [...] > >> > > How important is the stable releases? Are maintainers willing to do a > >> > > little more work now to make sure their subsystems work fine in older > >> > > kernels? This isn't the same stable as it was 8 years ago. > >> > > >> > And that annoys the hell out of some Linux companies who feel that the > >> > stable kernels compete with them. So people working for those companies > >> > might not get as much help with doing any additional work for stable > >> > kernel releases (this is not just idle gossip, I've heard it directly > >> > from management's mouths.) > >> > >> Hmm, this is new to me. Really, I thought the whole point of the stable > >> releases was to help Linux companies. > > [...] > > > > I also heard some managers decided their kernel source packages should > > have all the patches squashed together to make them harder to cherry- > > pick... could it have been the same company? > > Greg loves to tell stories about RH management, but really if he can > find any engineer who works for RH that says he can't work on stable > due to being told by management, I'd be surprised. Maybe when stable > first surfaced there was a hope of it being close to RHEL, but at this > point stable has little to no usefulness from a RHEL point of view, > and since nearly all the RH employed maintainers all do stable work, I > can't see why Greg would think this matters. > > In fact Greg how much of stable queue does come from Red Hatters? I always separate RH managers from engineers in their doings because I know that one does not feel the same as the other. My point is, if I start asking developers to do more work for the stable trees, that has the potential to make people not like the stable trees more for resource issues, and I don't want to do that at all. greg k-h -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe stable" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html