On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 23:37 -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote: > On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 23:34 -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote: > > On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:14 +1000, NeilBrown wrote: > > > > > Surely there is an enormous difference between being required to defend your > > > position against rational and forceful argument, and being required to defend > > > it against irrelevant name calling. > > > > Sure, but I don't think there's really much name calling in the kernel > > community. > > > > I just scanned a large number of LKML emails, and they all seemed rather > > technical, and no personal attacks at all. And that included several > > emails from Linus as well. Probably the strongest email came from Thomas > > Gleixner, but even that didn't contain any personal name calling. Mostly > > he called stuff "crap" but that was about the code and claims that the > > code did, but not about the person. > > > > There are a few times that Linus gets a bit colorful with his > > criticisms, but that's really the minority of the email and not the > > overall tone. I think Linus picks his battles. Sometimes he goes > > overboard, but he's human. But I still think he's running this ship > > well. > > > > I just found this gem: https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/10/600 > > But it's just Linus ranting about having "make install" modify the > source tree (which I totally agree with him, as I've stumbled over crap > like this in other projects). But he's bitching about the code, not the > person who asked him to pull it. Excellent example Steve. This is the core of what I was trying to get at. Linus vehemently and colorfully expressed his distate for *problem* and told the developer what they needed to do differently. No personal attack there. Would I like to be on the receiving end of that email... No, I would not. However, I can also understand being fed up with lots of little things like this and not having the patience or the desire to treat each one as a mentoring opportunity. The difference tends to be I rant to my close friends and Linus does so in public.... he's the more honest of the two of us I think :-) -- Darren Hart Intel Open Source Technology Center Yocto Project - Technical Lead - Linux Kernel -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe stable" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html