----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Michael Tokarev" <mjt@xxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: spice-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Ron Lee" <ron@xxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:52:48 PM > Subject: Re: [PATCH] make celt to be optional > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 03:47:09PM +0400, Michael Tokarev wrote: > > On 12.06.2012 15:35, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > Spice is very much about more than just pixels, that it does more > > > than > > > graphics (usb, sound, audio-video sync, clipboard, etc) is an > > > important > > > part of why Spice is better than other solutions. In fact, our > > > support > > > of movies by using compressed video and audio is a pretty > > > important > > > selling point of spice. > > > > > > The main thing I disagree with this change is that you change how > > > spice > > > works, making act differently than its creators intended, due to > > > a > > > packaging technicallity. You decide that spice users are not > > > interested > > > in low-bandwidh audio, without asking and without telling them. > > > (I'm > > > sure it'll be mentioned somewhere, but its unlikely that most > > > users will > > > see it.) > > > > Well. Alternative I have is to not provide spice in Debian at all. > > This > > includes qemu/kvm packages shipping without spice support, so even > > if you > > add spice client built from sources, it wont help. This includes > > such > > things like xspice. > > > > Does this work better for you? For users? > > Neither scenario is good for users. We need to focus on addressing > why > Celt051 can't be included in Debian, not arguing over which terrible > alternative is least-bad for users. +1 and with all respect It's been known for some time celt would not make it into debian, Moreover Michael made some effort to get Spice (even though with the limitation) into debian (which benn known for some time as well). Let's be honest video/audio sucks anyway over low-bandwidth lines (and unfortunately we do not even know how much...). > > Daniel > -- > |: http://berrange.com -o- > | http://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange/ :| > |: http://libvirt.org -o- > | http://virt-manager.org :| > |: http://autobuild.org -o- > | http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ :| > |: http://entangle-photo.org -o- > | http://live.gnome.org/gtk-vnc :| > _______________________________________________ > Spice-devel mailing list > Spice-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/spice-devel > _______________________________________________ Spice-devel mailing list Spice-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/spice-devel