On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 04:46:39PM -0400, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 01:06:54PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > > If the same block device is visible, with rw access, in two different > > containers, I don't see any anything good can happen. > > It's worse than that. I've fixed a lot of bugs which cause the kernel > to crash, and a few that might be levered into a privilege escalationh > attack, when you mount a maliciously corrupted file system using ext4. > I'm told told the security researcher filed similar reports with the > XFS community, and he was told, "that's what metadata checksums are > for; go away". Hey now, there was a little more nuance to it than that[1][2]. The complaint in the first instance had much more to do with breaking existing V4 filesystems by adding format requirements that mkfs didn't know about when the filesystem was created. Yes, you can create V4 filesystems that will hang the system if the log was totally unformatted and metadata updates are made, but OTOH it's fairly obvious when that happens, you have to be root to mount a disk filesystem, and we try to avoid breaking existing users. XFS developers have been and will continue to examine security problems when they are brought to our attention and strengthen validation as needed to minimize the risk of incorrect behaviors, but filesystems are complex machines, complex machinery is risky, and we arbitrate some of that risk by requiring administrators to elect to mount an XFS. > Given how much time it takes to work with these security researchers, > I don't blame them. > > But in light of that, I'd make a somewhat stronger statement. If you > let an untrusted container mount arbitrary block devices where they > have rw acccess to the underlying block device, nothing good can > happen. Period. :-) > > Which is why I don't think the lack of being able to reject > "conflicting mount options" is really all that important. It > certainly shouldn't block the fsopen patch series. #1, it's a problem > we have today, and #2, I'm really not all sure supporting bind mounts > via specifying block device was ever a good idea to begin with. And > #3, while I've been fixing ext4 against security issues caused by > maliciously corrupted file system images, I'm still sure that allowing > untrusted containers access to mount *any* file system via a block > device for which they have r/w access is a Really Bad Idea. > > > It seems to me that the current approach mostly involves crossing our fingers. > > Agreed! Crossing our fingers and demanding administrator intentionality when mounting filesystems off some piece of storage. --D [1] https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/5/21/649 [2] https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/4/2/572 _______________________________________________ Selinux mailing list Selinux@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe, send email to Selinux-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxx. To get help, send an email containing "help" to Selinux-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.
