Re: seandroid and policy version

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On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 15:45 -0400, Joshua Brindle wrote:
> Stephen Smalley wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 20:07 -0400, Joshua Brindle wrote:
> >> I was looking at this:
> >> <https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/c/36321/4/init/init.c>
> >>
> >> and remembered that years ago we had a discussion about the .policyver
> >> filename syntax. I kind of get it for SELinux machines where there is
> >> managed policy and could be multiple policies on the system but since
> >> SEAndroid is targeting non-device managed policies, it adds extra code
> >> to search for the right extension and you can tell what version the
> >> policy is as soon as you open it, why not ditch the suffix?
> >
> > First, that patch doesn't introduce the use of the version suffix
> > (that's in the already merged code); it just preserves it in the new
> > logic for reloading policy at runtime.
> 
> I know, it just reminded me that I wanted to mention it :)
> 
> >
> > I'm open to removing the use of the policy version suffix in a follow-on
> > patch, although that would need to be coordinated across sepolicy and
> > system/core.  But the current code is consistent with existing practice
> > in Linux distributions (so follows principle of least surprise) and it
> 
>  From what I can tell most people doing anything with SEAndroid have never been 
> exposed to SELinux so it probably is surprising to them that the file extension 
> would change version to version.
> 
> > allows for different versions to be installed simultaneously (thereby
> > supporting booting multiple kernels).  Also, we don't have libsepol on
> 
> I don't think this will ever be an issue on mobile devices (and I don't think it 
> ever was an issue on real machines, more likely that stale policies were being 
> enforced if there was some kernel or library change)
> 
> > the device so we cannot in fact determine the version when we open it
> > there presently.  So I'm not convinced we should remove the suffix.
> 
> We don't need libsepol, just read the first few bytes, a la file.

We need libsepol at least if we want to support automatic downgrading of
the policy to a version supported by the kernel.  So unless we think we
can guarantee that Android userspace + kernel are always updated in
lock-step and one will never want to support multiple kernels, it seems
a bit inflexible to drop the versioning.

-- 
Stephen Smalley
National Security Agency


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