Hi Russel ! On Fri, 18/03/2011 at 10.24 +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Guido Trentalancia <guido@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > There is at least the limit of not having many people on this list > > compared to most other Linux projects. Perhaps security is considered > > something boring to the average user/developer. Or even more likely > > SELinux is still perceived as "difficult to get into" (a documentation > > issue). > > NSA people: How many subscribers are there to this list outside .gov? > > Tresys people: How many subscribers to the refpolicy list are outside .gov? > > Does anyone know of a good study about the size of typical Linux projects? > I'm willing to bet that SE Linux has more active developers and more members > on the main mailing list than most Linux projects. In that context I meant active subscribers. I found an estimate for Gnome (gnome.org): around 700 active committers in the last two years cfr. http://www.osor.eu/idabc-studies/expert-docs/encouraging-good-practice Just showed up as the very first results on Google. > On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Sven Vermeulen <sven.vermeulen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > It is a good thing that RedHat and other (commercial) distributions are > > (starting to) offer SELinux-enabled systems by default. By integrating it > > immediately (and not offering it as an "additional" option) they somewhat > > force organizations to at least understand what it does or is supposed to > > do. By having the non-commercial distributions focus on SELinux more and > > more, this will also create awareness in the community. > > Red Hat has been doing it for a long time, since RHEL4 (they are at RHEL6 > now). > > Making it a default feature means that if a server is cracked and it turns out > to have had SE Linux disabled then the sysadmin will have to explain why they > turned off default security features thus making it easier for the attacker. > That wouldn't be a desirable situation for a sysadmin to be in. > > http://oss.tresys.com/pipermail/refpolicy/2011-March/004129.html > > Mark Montague's message archived at the above URL is worth bookmarking as a > list of issues to work on. > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Mark Montague <mark@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > research University), all of the system administrators I have met > > disable SELinux as the very first thing they do after installing the > > OS. Most of them disable SELinux without having any real understanding > > of what it does, and the reason they give, when asked, is because they > > want everything to "just work". When an AVC denial occurs, they don't > > even want to know what it means or why it occurs, the just know that > > "the AVC denial breaks their service" and disabling SELinux "fixes their > > service". > > There are a lot of people who do the same with UID and GID, they just run > everything as root. Nearly as bad are the people who run everything as user > "nobody", so "nobody" becomes everybody which dramatically weakens security. -- This message was distributed to subscribers of the selinux mailing list. If you no longer wish to subscribe, send mail to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the words "unsubscribe selinux" without quotes as the message.
