Encrypted kernelfirst, please notice "perfect access control"! if the access control mechanism is trusted or strong enough, 'John the Ripper' will only be a toy:) second, my meaning for "non-network environment" is that the confidential data flow just occurs in a host internally, like the situation described by the root message of this message tree (a confidential dir or file). Bin Liang ----- Original Message ----- From: Gurpreet Singh Sachdeva To: security-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 5:50 AM Subject: RE: Encrypted kernel >>>Under non-network environment, I think that the encryption is not a >>>necessary part of operating system! If os can provide perfect access >>>control mechanism, confidential data will be protected from compromise. I doubt! There are tools like 'John the Ripper' and similar ones that can gain the 'root' access on the file system. So in the non-network environment if a normal user logs in to the system, he can destroy it using such tools. And practically a Linux Box without a network is a *dream* J Best Regards, Gurpreet Singh Sachdeva ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿN?§²æìr¸?yé??[rêâ·/Ý?Ç.²Ïëz«?²ßå?{±±ç.®+rýÊ&Â+aþéì¹»®&Þþ)í?ë.n7?¶?í?é?²Æ