I remember using garnome on Mandrake 8.2 since before phoebe was announced and acme (a little daemon for making all those extra multimedia etc keys on modern keyboards work with GNOME) was working great. I actually have had better things to think about since installing RHL9 (which, BTW, has been great) but just now I finally noticed that I missed acme. Given that it seemed pretty stable to me, why wasn't it included? Best, Darren -- ===================================================================== D. D. Brierton darren@xxxxxxxxxxx www.dzr-web.com Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) =====================================================================