Thanks Arjan, I had to install a few other programs from rawhide also. The programs that I upgraded were the programs below. This sure beats trying to experiment with the 2.5 kernel from complete source code. i'll try the binary first, then maybe building from your src rpm. All finally installed and I'm ready to experiment with the test kernel. (Laptop first, desktop 2nd) Jim --------- e2fsprogs-1.33-3.i386.rpm e2fsprogs-devel-1.33-3.i386.rpm initscripts-7.26-1.1.i386.rpm modutils-2.4.25-7.i386.rpm kernel-2.5.74-1.10.i686.rpm modutils-2.4.25-7.src.rpm kernel-2.5.74-1.10.src.rpm nfs-utils-1.0.3-4.1.i386.rpm kernel-utils-2.4-1.6.i386.rpm On Fri, 2003-07-04 at 13:08, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Thu, 2003-07-03 at 11:36, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > based on having made pretty much every possible mistake there > > was to make in experimenting with the 2.5 kernel, some random > > thoughts for anyone else who wants to do the same, above and > > beyond the actual steps posted earlier: > > > > or..... > > grab http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/ if you prefer rpm based > kernels (don't forget to also take the modutils rpm from the i386 > directory)