On April 21, 2003 01:41 am, Linux-Lists.Red-Hat.Shrike wrote: > See, that it is where you are wrong... The tendency in the Linux world > is that it is ALWAYS the users fault. It is an attitude of "it works > for me, wohoo! Tough luck it doesn't work for you. It works for me, so > therefore, you must be stupid." Not real friendly to new folks on the > block around here. > > > Lacy Moore, Project Administrator > Moore & Moore General Contractors, Inc. > www.mmgc.com ... pardon me! But I *must* disagree with you here. I have been using linux (Red Hat or Mandrake) since 1995. However, either I am very lucky, or it's my attitude: I have ALWAYS found courteous, and patient help on the linux lists that I have visited, be it the RH lists or other public linux newsgroups. FWIW: Here is how I proceed: 1) I search the Internet (including Google) as exhaustively as possible. 2) THEN, I post my problem with as much *detailed information as possible on my hardware, and my procedures / techniques (even to the point of "overstatement". Since people can't actually SEE what I may be doing wrong, one needs to be as precise and descriptive of the problem as possible. 3) My attitude is that I NEVER "know too much" or "everything", and whilst I appreciate help, it is not anyone's OBLIGATION to assist me. ... I must admit, however, that POLITENESS and "common sense" are quite a rarity in today's world. cheers, Elton Woo ;-) {linux "newbie" / "dummy", and "user"} -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once, so let's make life EASIER for each other." LINUX Registered User #193975. AMD-K7 ATHLON CPU power on board.