With a fresh install of RH8.0 set to graphical login (using PS/2 mouse) if you pull out the mouse and reboot what do you get? What would you expect to get? It can be really hard talking someone through a support call when their only report is "I'm looking at a black screen" and they try ALT-F1 from the console to still get a black screen, and they try CTRL-ALT-F1 from the console and STILL get a black screen. Even after several minutes the X11 keeps respawning and doesn't get disabled so you basically have absolutely no console access at this point. I would expect that it would either: [1] Start X11 anyhow and just not give you a mouse (so the user gets the idea, "hey my mouse is gone, maybe it isn't plugged it") [2] Disable X11 completely because it keeps crashing (the slowness of the X11 startup seems to protect it from init disable, maybe this depends on hardware). [3] Bring up X11, pop an error that gives the user something readable and hang there in space (at least allowing CTRL-ALT-F1 to get a text console plus the user knows what is wrong). - Tel -- Psyche-list mailing list Psyche-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list