...mmm sorry about the HTML...! Yes, blocking China would help. .cn, .ru, .cz, .br, ... how about everything? Better, why not make it like importing goods. Nobody gets in without a permit. Nobody gets to keep their permit if they are sending spam. The burden shifts to the ISPs, but it also puts a huge burden on the users because until their ISPs care, their e-mail is blocked. They will probably just block our e-mails because we blocked their e-mails and it becomes a stalemate. It really is a wild frontier and it gets abused because it's so easy to abuse. The question for this group is: Is there anything that we, collectively, as Red Hat admins and developers, can do about the problem? Greg -- Psyche-list mailing list Psyche-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list