The only difference I see is that Redhat doesn't want to include closed source software that could possibly have problems with their software since they can't see what it's doing, and at that point they wouldn't be able to fix it. This is more of a sane statement from a software company standpoint. "Here is a car w/ a manual, you can get the body kit, rims, spoiler and CD Player from anywhere you want, but don't expect us to help if YOU break something". Think of car companies. Does GM say, here's a car with our stuff that we know works, and here's a CD Player/MP3 Player/axle extension kit/body kit? Of course not. That would be a warranty nightmare (compared to a support nightmare from redhat's standpoint) since they have no idea what this equipment might do to the vehicle. Anyway, as it's been said before. If you don't like the way Redhat does it, MAKE YOUR OWN DISTRO and see how it is to support software that you know nothing about. That's the beauty of Linux, don't like it, DO IT YOURSELF and stop complaining. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: David Durst [mailto:ddurst@larubber.com] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:33 PM To: psyche-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Ok mis wording the problem w/ 8.0 Heres what I am asking for: "Here is a car w/ a manual, here is the body kit, rims, spolier and CD Player you can put in the car - side note you DON'T HAVE TO PUT THEM ON" -- Psyche-list mailing list Psyche-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list