Re: Trolling for shuttle sff computer experiences

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Definitely helps, Thanks.

Bret

On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 08:44, Alex Deucher wrote:
> Xv (Xvideo) tha API for using the hardware scaler, color space
> convertion and video overlay on modern chipsets.
> 
> XvMC - extention to Xv to handle hardware based motion compensation and
> (I think) IDCT for video overlays.  Only 3 drivers that I know of
> support this (i810, VIA's savage driver, and nvidia's binary driver).
> 
> Gatos - a project that develops drivers for the video in/out, tv tuner,
> etc. functionality for ati all-in-wonder cards.
> 
> Mesa - opensource OpenGL library.  forms the basis for the opensource
> 3D drivers.
> 
> DRI - direct rendering infrastructure.  The group that develops
> opensource 3D drivers.
> 
> Most xfree86 video drivers consist of 1 or 3 parts.  1 for 2D only
> drivers, 3 for 2D+3D drivers.
> 
> 1. the 2D driver - the 2D server handles 2D operations and Xv
> 
> 2. the 3D driver - the 3D client driver handles 3D direct rendering
> 
> 3. the DRM kernel module - arbitrates access to video card for 3D (and
> in some cases 2D) operations
> 
> That should give you the basics.
> 
> Alex
> 
> 
> --- Bret Hughes <bhughes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 22:57, Alex Deucher wrote:
> > > Other than 3D Thomas' sis driver is very flexible and full
> > featured,
> > > plus some sff boxes based on sis chipsets offer DVI ports (not sure
> > > about your model).  The latest code drop from S3/VIA offers good
> > > functionality for the savage chip (3D, Xvmc), however it has not
> > yet
> > > been ported to mesa 5.x.  see the savage-2_0_0 branch in DRI cvs. 
> > I'm
> > > not sure the savage chips support DVI.  As I recall the video
> > engine in
> > > the savage chips wasn't the greatest, but that might be overcome by
> > > using the Xvmc stuff.  I'm not too familiar with the sis video
> > engine
> > > performance-wise, but I think it is decent, plus there are a lot of
> > Xv
> > > related controls that other chipsets don't offer like chromakey and
> > > good tv out support.
> > > 
> > > Add on cards may perform better due to havin discrete memory, but
> > few
> > > xfree86 drivers support TV out.  The few that come to mind are
> > mostly
> > > integrated chips (trident, via, savage, sis).
> > > 
> > 
> > Thanks for the additional info.  the shuttle models do have a $40 add
> > on
> > card that plug into the agp port that provides dvi and tv out
> > connections to the onboard video.
> > 
> > It appears that with the gatos ati.2 driver the radeon 7200 chip has
> > good tv out support using their ati.2 driver.  I installed this
> > driver
> > to get xv support in mplayer on an ati expertLCD (Mach64 based) and
> > it
> > was dead easy. 
> > 
> > It also appears that the card will fit into the box which is a good
> > thing ;)
> > 
> > Is there some document that explains the relationship between mesa
> > gatos
> > xfree86 XvImage Xvideo and all the other names that keep cropping up
> > in
> > my reading?  Every time I start to think I am beginning to see the
> > light, it is another train.  Or even worse I have the feeling I have
> > read a decent explaination somewhere and can't get back to it after
> > reading another hundred pages or so of information. 
> > 
> > Thanks again.
> > 
> > Bret
> > 
> 
> 
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