Hello back, Thanks for answers. Sorry for my delay I was really busy. I am using right now XIG's drivers. they work great . I posted on mailing list a small problem with a keyboard delay which I have seen using Summit 2.1.4 (My first initial email, where I asked actually about this) Otherwise the drivers are great and bzflag under RedHat works cool. I hope XFRee guys will send out 4.3.0 with 3D support for Radeon8500. I would like to make a comparation between XIG's drivers and XFRee86 . Stefan