> From: Riku Meskanen <mesrik@cc.jyu.fi> > Reply-To: redhat-devel-list@redhat.com > To: redhat-devel-list@redhat.com > Subject: Re: A Red Hat user's introduction to Debian > > > > But now you find that the macho Unixers will win that their little > > > brains are unable to decypzer the scripts who configure the network > > > in RedHat or Mandrake and that is why they want a bare bones distro. > > > > I used UNIX and administered UNIX systems for many years. I hope you > > will not interpret this message as a win (whine?). > > > Same here. This is rather long, sorry about that. > > > I think that it is really cool, spiffy, neato that RH 7.2 installs and > > pretty much just works. For the last three installs of 7.2 I did, I > > *needed* to make only a couple of little tweaks to get basic > > functionality going. This is a good thing. > > > I strongly agree :) > > Poor installation and administration utilities are waste > of admin/company/BOFH resources nowadays. I've heard similar > macho bullshit Jean was referring and some seem to think > holding back some people being able to run/admin unices would > make better job security for admins and consultants, that's crap! > > Those guys really > > a) don't understand that larger user base will make more job > opportunities, good admins are needed always when you have > enough sites using the system. > > b) companies and other organizations can't afford investing > long term in technology that is difficult to administer and > only in hands of few > > c) haven't been around long enough consulting and admin business > that have already figured that how boring it is to fix things > over and over again that should have been job of the distribution > maker or vendor out of the box.... or haven't at least met any > consultant that would not consider that more suitable for > a chimp than ecudated human being Riku, thanks for FINALLY bringing an intelligent dialogue back to this forum following those insulting, uninformed, off-topic posts about how those of us in the U.S. make more money, etc, etc, etc... (I'm just back from a trip and was wondering when all those off-topic posts would end!) I have only a small addition to make to this thread: I suggest that the _reason_ we have so often seen poor installation and configuration procedures and tools is primarily because the "best and brightest" don't think that installation and configuration issues - scripts and config files, as examples - are worthy of their time. Consequently, these components are most often written by people who don't have the long experience to know what a well written installation should be like. And, management is usually ignorant of the importance of this too. Businesses take note: The FIRST thing your customer sees is the installation process for your product. Remember; You never get a second chance to make a (good) first impression. Regards, Richard -- Richard Troy Chief Scientist Science Tools Corporation rtroy@sciencetools.com _______________________________________________ Redhat-devel-list mailing list Redhat-devel-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-devel-list
