On 4/9/2014 3:21 PM, Barrett Lewis wrote: > On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Stan Hoeppner <stan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Replacing the heatsink is low cost, low risk. If it doesn't fix the >> problem and you end up replacing the mobo you can likely use it on the >> new board's PCH as well. > > Good point, I'm down for just owning a good chipset heatsink for this > or any other board. > >> Due to ever increasing integration, most mobos today have a single >> system support chip in place of the previous north/south bridge duo. >> Aftermarket heatsinks are typically sized such that larger units are for >> the "northbridge" and smaller units for the "southbridge". >> "Northbridge" heatsinks are typically used for single chip systems as >> the mounting footprint and thermal output are similar. > > Thanks for explaining this, I was getting really confused. > >> Measure between the approximate centers of the two spring loaded plastic >> mounting tabs. You don't need an exact measurement to 1mm, but a >> ballpark. The hole spacing is fairly standardized by the industry. >> Your measurement should fall into one of 3 ranges, and this will dictate >> which heatsink you buy: >> >> 47.5 - 53mm >> 53 - 59mm >> 59 - 63mm >> > > I ran home during lunch and tried to get a quick measurement. I kept > coming up with 53mm which makes me nervous since it straddles two of > your ranges, but I measured twice. Don't be nervous. Enzo makes only one model to fit 47.5-53.5mm, the SLF-30 for Southbridge chips. They make 5 models to fit 53-59mm Northbridge or single chip footprints. You want one of these. > Since you say the bigger passive cooler is better anyway, Only in a chassis with good airflow over the motherboard. If you don't have this an active cooler is better. But I'd guess your server does have decent airflow over this area of the board. > maybe I should get that CNB-R1, with the multiple mounting rings? Overkill, lose slots. > My only hesitation is if I do ever decide to go with a discrete HBA > (and potentially needed more than one if I had more than 8 drives) I > would be using more of those expansion slots. Just go with the EnzoTech CNB-S1L which is tailored to your application. It has a mass of 50 grams and is 1.41 x 1.41 x 0.46" in dimension, will not interfere with expansion cards. Its thermal performance is roughly equivalent to an aluminum heatsink 2-3x its dimensions and fin area. The base is polished to .0004" so with correct application of Arctic thermal interface material your thermal junction between heatsink and chip will be 100 times better than the current heatsink, which may not even have any TIM--factory NB/SB heatsinks often have no TIM, or they have cheap thermal tape. Get: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5520/vid-84/Enzotech_Forged_Copper_Northbridge_Low-Profile_Heatsink_CNB-S1L_-_36mm_x_36mm_x_116mm.html?tl=g40c16s500&id=ThjnNJ9H http://www.frozencpu.com/products/3769/thr-02/Arctic_Alumina_Premium_Ceramic_Thermal_Compound_-_175_Grams_AA-175G.html?tl=g8c127s533 Pick up a small can of acetone and q-tips. Nail polish remover will work as well. These will be used to delicately remove any TIM/tape film stuck to the chip after removing the stock heatsink, if there is any. May want to pull it and check first. Once you have the chip completely clean, apply a tiny dab of Arctic TIM to the center of the chip, about the size of the lead on the end of a sharp pencil. Use a razor blade or credit card, any rigid plastic card, to spread the TIM into an even film across the chip. You want a layer across the entire surface so thin you can just see through it. Place the new heatsink on top and push the retaining pins through the board. You're done. Cheers, Stan > On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Stan Hoeppner <stan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On 4/7/2014 2:28 PM, Barrett Lewis wrote: >>> Sorry for the delay, I didn't want to reply until I got time to get >>> down into the machine and do some research. >> ... >>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:42 AM, Stan Hoeppner <stan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>>> There are 6 models of the Asrock z77. All but one contain a PCH >>>> heatsink designed to look cool rather than properly cool the chip. The >>>> Asrock z77 Extreme 11 has a fan so is an exception, and also has an >>>> onboard 8 port LSI SAS controller (9211-8i), so I assume you do not have >>>> the Extreme 11. >>> >>> Mine is the Z77 Extreme4, picture below. >> >> Yep, same as all Z77s but for the Extreme 11. >> >>>> With consumer PC hardware random lockups occurring only under heavy disk >>>> IO are most often the result of thermal buildup in the PCH (Northbridge) >>>> chip. This can occur when all the drives are connected to its SATA >>>> ports as in your case, but it can also occur when using one or more >>>> SAS/SATA HBAs if the PCIe slots are connected through the PCH. The odds >>>> are very good that your lockups are a result of the poor PCH heatsink >>>> design on the Asrock boards exacerbated by insufficient case airflow >>>> across the heatsink. What case is this z77 board in? Be specific >>>> please so I can pull up the schematic. >>> >>> The case is an NZXT H2. It has all (and only) the stock fans running. >> >> This case seems to have a have a decent airflow design. >> >>> Overheating would fit the way it is fine until a long heavy operation, >>> and even then doesn't crash until a random time a ways into the >>> operation. >>> Much of the hardware stuff is outside of my domain of knowledge which >>> is why I was leaning towards buying new equipment. >> >> Replacing the heatsink is low cost, low risk. If it doesn't fix the >> problem and you end up replacing the mobo you can likely use it on the >> new board's PCH as well. >> >>> Is the PCH the part I circled in yellow? http://i.imgur.com/safg5iW.jpg >> >> Yep, that's it. Notice the aesthetic cover attached over the heat sink >> fins? The aluminum heatsink under it has high thermal resistance due to >> being aluminum and having a small fin surface area. That cover >> increases the thermal resistance further by preventing airflow from >> reaching the fins. Couple this with the fact that low quality thermal >> interface material (TIM, paste, tape) is used on factory installed mobo >> chipset heatsinks, and this demonstrates why the chip is likely getting >> too hot under IO load. >> >>> I've been doing a lot of googling and and see that the northbridge is >>> usually between the PCIe slot and the CPU but there doesn't seem to be >>> any large object in that place on this board. >> >> Due to ever increasing integration, most mobos today have a single >> system support chip in place of the previous north/south bridge duo. >> Aftermarket heatsinks are typically sized such that larger units are for >> the "northbridge" and smaller units for the "southbridge". >> "Northbridge" heatsinks are typically used for single chip systems as >> the mounting footprint and thermal output are similar. >> >>> Can you confirm this is the proper part for me to measure for a new heatsink? >> >> I can. It is. >> >> Do not attempt this with the system running. Power down, remove all >> external cables and sit the chassis on a table. Ground yourself by >> touching the chassis or a metal table leg, etc, to discharge any static >> from your body. >> >> Measure between the approximate centers of the two spring loaded plastic >> mounting tabs. You don't need an exact measurement to 1mm, but a >> ballpark. The hole spacing is fairly standardized by the industry. >> Your measurement should fall into one of 3 ranges, and this will dictate >> which heatsink you buy: >> >> 47.5 - 53mm >> 53 - 59mm >> 59 - 63mm >> >> Let me know the measurement and I'll recommend the best unit for your >> application. It seems you won't be using all of your expansion slots >> any time soon so going with a taller passive unit shouldn't be a >> problem. A taller/larger passive unit in a case with good airflow is >> preferable to a low profile unit w/fan due to 2/3:1 greater mass, no fan >> to fail, no noise. After you select the heatsink I'll give you tips on >> removing the current one and installing the new one. Proper >> installation is more important than which heatsink you install, as doing >> it wrong may result in higher temperatures than what you have now. >> >> As always, the devil is in the details. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Stan >> > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-raid" in > the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-raid" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
