Re: number of global spares?

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On Sat, 2005-08-27 at 08:56 +1000, Neil Brown wrote:
> On Friday August 26, strombrg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > 
> > I've been working on a RAID setup with dual RAID controllers and
> > three expansion boxes - 48 disks in all, including data, parity and
> > global spares.
> 
> If there are 48 drives, why do your drive-numbers go up to 59?
> Confusing but not important.

Agreed.  The hardware likes to do that.

> Presumably these are 360G drives (or there abouts) and you are hoping
> to use about 42 for data and the remaining 6 for redundancy.

Around 380G.

> I feel this a bit tight but could be workable.
> 
> If you were using Linux-soft-raid, I would probably suggest 3 16-drive raid6
> arrays, possibly making 1 a 15 drive raid6 so there is one global spare.
> However I gather you are using hardware RAID - do the controllers
> support RAID6 ??

I'd feel better about RAID 6, but the hardware doesn't support it.

> > Please be sure to use a fixed-pitch font when viewing the tables found
> > below.  BTW, if people weren't so terrified of HTML, I could just make a
> > nice HTML table for easy reading without silly font requirements...
> 
> You mean some mail readers use variable-width-fonts to display
> text/plain?  How broken!

Heh.

> > 
> > 
> > Does anyone have any comments on:
> > 
> > 1) The sanity of these 10 disk RAID 5's?
> 
> It depends on the drives.
> If you are using you-only-get-what-you-pay-for-IDE-drives, then I
> would say it is insane.
> If you are using you-pay-for-the-quality SCSI drives, then you should
> be fairly safe.

They're SATA's.

> > 
> > 2) The degree of loss of reliability incurred by moving 3 disks from
> > global spare to data?
> 
> That depends a bit on your warranty arrangements on the drives.  If
> it's next-day-replacement (Really, truly) then it is probably OK.  If
> it is 'send us the bad drive and we'll see what we can do', then I
> would suggest thinking again.

This'll be the next thing I ask the vendor.

> > 
> > 3) The degree of loss of reliability incurred by moving 2 disks from
> > global spare to data?
> > 
> 
> Should be safe enough.
> 
> However I don't understand why you have 4 9+1 arrays, and 1 X+1 for
> varying X.  Maybe 9+1 is the largest the controller will give you, so
> you have to go to 5 arrays.
> In that case, 4 8+1 arrays, 1 9+1 array, and 2 global spares would
> seem a more sensible arrangement.

I'm going to pitch this (or maybe 3 8+1's) to the owner of the equipment
and the vendor.

It was the vendor that suggested the 9+1's.


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