In my case, I am sure I had the termination correct. I normally don't set the SCSI card to auto termination, since I don't trust it! But I did try every valid permutation. On non-Linux systems, I have never had problems mixing disks with tapes or anything else. And since I swapped terminators, cables and cards, the only hardware that could be at fault would be the tape or disk drives. But, they are still working to this day, just on separate SCSI cards. If I recall, I once had a Unix system where someone created about 128 Gig of sparse files. I backed up the files to a DDS-3 tape (12-24 Gig). The backup took more than 24 hours. That is better than 10 to 1. :) So, yes, giving the correct data, 2 to 1 can be done, but not in the real world. IMO. Guy -----Original Message----- From: linux-raid-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:linux-raid-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gordon Henderson Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:40 PM To: Guy Cc: linux-raid@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [OT] best tape backup system? On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Guy wrote: > I have NOT been able to share a SCSI cable/card with disks and a tape > drive. Tried for days. I would get disk errors, or timeouts. I > corrected the problem by putting the tape drive on a dedicated SCSI > bus/card. I don't recall the details of the failures, since it has been > well over a year now. But I do know I only had problems while using the > tape drive and the disks at the same time. Like, during a backup. The > disks were happy while the tape drive was idle. I also swapped parts, > it had no effect. I assumed Linux does not like to share SCSI. Linux is fine with multiple devices on SCSI - scanners, drives, tapes. I haven't had problems with these combinations. The "usual culprit" is termination. Either not enough or too much! You need termination at both ends of the bus - one end is usually (but not always) the SCSI card, and all cards I've used in the past few years have had the ability to turn termination on or off (You turn it off if the card is not at one end of the bus) Some tape drives I've used also have the ability to turn termination on, or not - sometimes you set the drive number to one range for termination, another range for not (eg. 0-7 no termination, 8-15 active termination). It's a real PITA to get right at times. > I have not had problems with 2 or more tape drives on the same SCSI > bus/card. I think I had 3 at one time. > > Amanda... The last time I checked, incremental backups require a different > tape each time. You will need a lot of tapes. If a full backup fits on a > single tape, just do a full backup each night. I need many tapes to do a > full backup, but a single tape can hold many daily incremental backups. I > deemed Amanda to wasteful for me. I use home made scripts and cpio and do a > full backup about once per month, and do nightly incremental backups to 1 > tape. Once the daily tape is full I do another full backup. Works very > well for me. But, restoring is a pain, but that is very rare for me, only > once in 1+ years, so far. My scripts seek the tape as required, so I can > eject the tape if needed, as long as I put it back in time for the nightly > backup. Yup. One tape per backup run with Amanda. Way back when tape capacity exceeded disk capacity, I used Amanda to backup many machines to one tape every night - that was its original strength, the ability to backup many machines over the LAN to one tape drive. These days with disk capacities generally exceeding tapes, it's not like that anymore (although I still have some smaller servers backed up to a non-local tape drive for reasons of economy) > If anyone gets 1.3 to 1 compression, that is real good!!!! IMO. The > last time I checked, I got about 1.1 to 1. What a marketing scam!!!! Compression is always a weirdism - I'm guessing your data is music, video or pictures - stuff thats already compressed which won't compress twice. Typical "officy" type data would be stuff that generally compresses well - text documents, spreadsheets, program source code (& compiled binaries) etc. Amanda can compress data and in some cases better than the tape drives (using gzip, etc), but it's slow and makes restoring more interesting... I think Sony are claiming 2.3:1 with their new tapes - well, they'll get that with text-files, but nothing near that with anything else! Gordon - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-raid" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-raid" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
