Hi all, I have two Debian 10 partitions in my laptop, one that was a Debian 9 that I "apt-get dist-upgrade"d to Debian 10, and one in which Debian 10 was installed from scratch using an installation pen drive... In the "dist-upgrade"d partition sound doesn't work and in the other one it does, so let me call them the "bad partition" and the "good partition". I was guessing that the problem was in ALSA, and to test that I wrote the script below, ran it in both partitions, and compared their outputs: logthis () { echo $*:; eval $* 2>&1; echo; echo; } { # Debian version logthis cat /etc/issue logthis cat /etc/debian_version logthis cat /etc/os-release logthis lsb_release -da logthis hostnamectl # List devices and PCMs logthis aplay -l logthis aplay -L # Drivers and modules logthis "lspci -vvv | grep -A8 Audio" logthis "lspci -knn | grep -A2 Audio" # Permissions logthis groups logthis ls -lAF /proc/asound/ # This partition logthis "mount | grep 'on / '" # ALSA state logthis "rm -f /tmp/o; /usr/sbin/alsactl -f /tmp/o store; cat /tmp/o" } | tee ~/oalsa then I sent a long e-mail to the ALSA mailing list - this one: https://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/msg32698.html I got two answers. This one, by Kaj Persson, about MANY other sound bugs in a dist-upgraded Debian 10, https://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/msg32699.html and another one, very brief, in private - and possibly sent from a cell phone -, from Patrick May, saying that he thinks that "aplay -l" gives me "Subdevices: 0/1" in the bad partition and "Subdevices: 1/1" in the good partition because something - possibly pulseaudio - is using one of the subdevices, and that I should try "pulseaudio --kill"... I tried to test Patrick's suggestion, but I found that when I kill a pulseaudio process systemd starts a new one, and I spent about two hours trying to find a clean way to kill pulseaudio without systemd restarting it... I couldn't find a way, and the details overwhelmed me, and my brain overheated! Sorry!... =( If several people are having problems with sound on dist-upgraded Debian 10s - note that "several" at this moment means "at least two"! - then I think that it would be great to have a much bigger version of the script above that would also make pulseaudio report lots of things about its status. I can start working on that bigger script, but: 1) *** ALL HINTS AND SUGGESTIONS ARE WELCOME ***, 2) again: how do I kill pulseaudio? The most urgent thing now is to add a block like this to the script: logthis my-kill-pulseaudio logthis aplay -l logthis my-restart-pulseaudio Thanks in advance! Eduardo Ochs http://angg.twu.net/ http://angg.twu.net/emacsconf2019.html (^ on "executable notes") _______________________________________________ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss