+Wim and George from PipeWire On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, at 12:15 AM, Pali Rohár wrote: > On Monday 02 December 2019 19:01:11 Tanu Kaskinen wrote: > > On Sun, 2019-12-01 at 19:57 +0100, Pali Rohár wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > > > I'm sending this email to relevant mailing lists and other people who > > > could be interested in it. (I'm not subscribed to all of ML, so please > > > CC me when replying). > > > > > > > > > I would like to open a discussion about a completely new way of handling > > > Bluetooth HSP and HFP profiles on Linux. These two profiles are the only > > > standard way how to access microphone data from Bluetooth Headsets. > > > > > > > > > Previously in bluez4, HFP profile was implemented by bluez daemon and > > > telephony HFP functionality was provided by either dummy modem, ofono > > > modem or by Nokia's CSD Maemo modem. > > > > > > In bluez5 version was modem code together with implementation of HFP > > > profile removed. And let implementation of HSP and HFP profiles to > > > external application. > > > > > > Currently HSP profile is implemented in pulseaudio daemon to handle > > > microphone and Bluetooth speakers. HFP profile is not implemented yet. > > > > > > > > > HSP and HFP profiles use AT modem commands, so its implementation needs > > > to parse and generates AT commands, plus implement needed state machine > > > for it. > > > > > > And now problem is that last version of HFP profile specification is too > > > complicated, plus Bluetooth headsets vendors started to inventing and > > > using of own custom extensions to HFP profile and AT commands. > > > > > > Main problem of this "external" implementation outside of bluez is that > > > only one application can communicate with remote Bluetooth device. It > > > is application which received needed socket from bluez. > > > > > > So in this design if audio daemon (pulseaudio) implements HFP profile > > > for processing audio, and e.g. power supply application wants to > > > retrieve battery level from Bluetooth device, it means that audio daemon > > > needs to implement also battery related functionality. > > > > > > It does not make sense to force power supply daemon (upower) to > > > implement audio routing/encoding/decoding or audio daemon (power supply) > > > to force implementing battery related operations. > > > > > > > > > For handle this problem I would like to propose a new way how to use and > > > implement HSP and HFP profiles on Linux. > > > > > > Implement a new HSP/HFP daemon (I called it hsphfpd) which register HSP > > > and HFP profiles in bluez and then exports functionality for all other > > > specific applications via DBus API (API for audio, power supply, input > > > layer, telephony functions, vendor extensions, etc...). So it would acts > > > as proxy daemon between bluez and target applications (pulseaudio, > > > upower, ofono, ...) > > > > > > This would simplify whole HFP usage as applications would not need to > > > re-implement parsing and processing of AT commands and it would allow > > > more applications to use HFP profile at one time. And also it means that > > > audio software does not have to implement telephony stack or power > > > supply operations. > > > > > > > > > I wrote a document how such DBus API could look like, see here: > > > > > > https://github.com/pali/hsphfpd-prototype/raw/prototype/hsphfpd.txt > > > > > > > > > And also I implemented "prototype" implementation to verify that > > > designed API make sense and can be really implemented. Prototype fully > > > supports HSP profile in both HS and AG role, plus HFP profile in HF > > > role. This prototype implementation is available here: > > > > > > https://github.com/pali/hsphfpd-prototype > > > > > > Some other details are written in README: > > > > > > https://github.com/pali/hsphfpd-prototype/raw/prototype/README > > > > > > > > > What do you think about it? Does it make sense to have such design? > > > Would you accept usage of such hsphfpd daemon, implemented according to > > > specification, on Linux desktop? > > > > > > I would like to hear your opinion if I should continue with this hsphfpd > > > design, or not. > > > > > > > > > With this design and implementation of hsphfpd is possible to easily fix > > > pulseaudio issue about power supply properties: > > > > > > https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pulseaudio/pulseaudio/issues/722 > > > > I quite like this proposal. Avoiding the need to implement the button > > press, battery level etc. handling separately in PulseAudio, oFono and > > PipeWire seems like a pretty good justification to me. I assume you're > > volunteering to maintain this new daemon? > > Yes, I can maintain this new daemon. > > > It's not clear to me how this would affect the PulseAudio <-> oFono > > interaction, if at all. > > Only one application can register to bluez and "own" bluez socket for > communication with bluetooth headset. Currently it can be either > pulseaudio (with native backend in pulseaudio for HSP profile) or ofono > (with ofono backend in pulseaudio for HFP profile). > > So if hsphfpd would be in use, then ofono would not be able to get > socket from bluez. And it would be needed to add a new "plugin" into > ofono to use hsphpfd for telephony operations. See hsphfpd.txt file > (there is diagram of usage). > > > When oFono is used, would PulseAudio get the > > audio socket from oFono or hsphfpd? > > Always from hsphfpd. > > > What about volume commands, would they go through oFono or would > > PulseAudio interact with hsphfpd directly? > > Internally they are handled by hsphpfd directly and appropriate API is > exported via DBus for audio application daemon (pulseaudio). For details > see hsphfpd.txt file, interface org.hsphfpd.AudioTransport. > > > I think hsphfpd should be part of bluetoothd, but if that's not > > possible, then that's not possible. > > I do not know if bluez developers are interested in having this code as > part of bluez project, specially when in bluez4 HFP profile was there > and in bluez5 was HFP code completely removed. > > But it should not matter where hsphpfd is implemented. > > > (I don't want to get into a lengthy discussion about programming > > languages, but I'll just note here that I don't like Perl.) > > It is just a prototype. I used Perl just because it is faster for me to > implement parsing of AT commands needed for prototype purposes. Broadly, I think this is a good thing to do. My main concern is having this be adequately maintained over a longer period of time. The other thing to note is that in PipeWire, it is possible for external entities to implement the equivalent of a "sink" or "source" (it's just a node in PipeWire terminology), so in the long run, it might be good to have a single BT audio daemon that manages A2DP and HSP/HFP.. This would also have the benefit of moving codec dependencies out of PulseAudio (which I'll help mitigate in other ways within PulseAudio anyway). Cheers, Arun _______________________________________________ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
