Hi, On So, Dez 27, 2009 at 01:34:46 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Sat, 26.12.09 08:31, Halim Sahin (halim.sahin at freenet.de) wrote: > > > > > > Lennart > > > > > > > > > I believe in his particular use-case he's concerned about the > > > > screenreader prior to the DE starting up (boot messages and the like?). > > > > > > We actually cover that inside of gdm, where you can get access to the > > > boot messages. > > > > Ok what about consolescreenreaders like sbl brltty or speakup? > > They need a working audiosystem to provide > > usefull stuff before login or to read the login pprompt. > > The gdm login screen should be prefectly accessible. I am talking about mixed setups between gdm+gnome and a plain bash textconsole! > > With pulseaudio I need to login without feedback, start the speech server and > > then restart the screenreader. > > Use gdm! Siehe oben. > > By design mac and windows are not comparable with linux > > because they are not a multi user OS. > > That is simply not true. ??? > > For german users: > > http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/stud/unix-ag-bhb/node27.html > > > > changing the unix behaviour is the main problem here. > > Maybe you don't need this but others do. > > Unix is pretty much a broken system. It might be a useful base and > more useful as a base than other systems, but uh, of course we need to > deviate from a system that was designed 40 years ago. People who think > that Unix is a flawless system and every depature from it would be bad > are just incredibly naive. Sorry I want to be able to use my computer (wich isn't possible) if all distros are integrating pulse (like your suggestions). > > It should be possible to use the audiosystem the (old way). > > You are always welcome to use a distribution from 3 years ago if you > feel that progress is not for you... Thanks a lot for your understanding. I will suggest all blind people to use debian lenny or similar :-(. Read the whole thread and see what happens: All suggestions are producing more complex apps and only pa doesn't need to be changed. Here are my thoughts about pulse: Ok This will my last post in this thread