On Fri, 09.01.09 13:59, Jud Craft (craftjml at gmail.com) wrote: Heya! You'd do me a great favour if you'd properly quote in your emails like everyone else does. I have a hard time following what you are responding to. > A good point, but you can't expect all Linux applications to alter > their sound playback to be forward compatible with Pulse. I'm sure > Skype will get right on that. :) The number of subsystems for event sounds are limited. It might be difficult to make everyone tag their streams, but for event sounds this should be feasable. > There is still the case where programs that _do_ play long sound > streams will still not be accessible when they don't play sounds. > (Ex, a Banshee/Amarok that's stopped). If a media player is paused it will still appear in pavucontrol. If a media player terminated its stream it will not show up. But I would say it is a bit a constructed use case: why would you want to adjust the volume of something you don't hear? I mean, music volume you probably want to adjust while it plays because music playback is a long time process. > I suppose it comes down to what you see Pulseaudio as an abstraction > around: streams of sound, or the sources of sound themselves. I > always like to think of it as the sources(applications) themselves, > since that is immediately recognizable. A user sees Banshee on the > screen and knows that Banshee plays sound; he's not concerned with > whether it's playing a sound at that very second or not. Even if the > app is quiet, the app is still there; it's unintuitive that Pulseaudio > has suddenly forgotten about it just because it's not playing. PA actually hasn't forgotten. We store the volume/device of a stream in our stream database. This database is actually readable from clients. (In fact pavucontrol reads/modifies it for the event sound slider). It is solely an UI issue to implement what you ask for -- although I still doubt that it makes much sense for anything that is not an event sounds. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering Red Hat, Inc. lennart [at] poettering [dot] net ICQ# 11060553 http://0pointer.net/lennart/ GnuPG 0x1A015CC4
