I am running into a problem applying the patches from... http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2008-July/009343.html http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2008-July/009344.html http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2008-July/009346.html to the alsa-plugins 1.0.17 release tarball. I copied the text of these patches in firefox and have been unable to find a permutation of patch arguments that would successfully apply the changes. Do these patches only work on the git directory of alsa? Jack