Re: Why PHP sucks - farce or is there a bit of truth?

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On 10/17/2013 8:50 PM, Tim-Hinnerk Heuer wrote:
http://php.net/manual/en/language.operators.comparison.php#example-122

Found this in relation, so this behaviour is documented.

Tim-Hinnerk Heuer

Twitter: @geekdenz
Blog: http://www.thheuer.com


On 18 October 2013 13:46, Tim-Hinnerk Heuer <th.heuer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi,

I've been a PHP programmer for several years now and have a bit of a
love-hate relationship with it. It's great for doing something quickly,
especially web stuff, but recently I have heard people moaning about PHP a
lot and did some research and found this:

http://webonastick.com/php.html

One thing I had to get my head around is this:
The ternary operator
<?php
     $foo = 1;
     print(($foo == 1) ? "uno" : ($foo === 2) ? "dos" : "tres");
     print("\n");

outputs
dos

because the operator is left-to-right associative instead of right-to-left
as in other languages. I was thinking there must be a reason for this.
Speed? Is it faster to evaluate/implement all operators as left-to-right?

I noticed that the above could easily be fixed by saying:

<?php
     $foo = 1;
     print(($foo == 1) ? "uno" : (($foo === 2) ? "dos" : "tres"));
     print("\n");

outputs
uno

Was this a deliberate design decision or is it a flaky implementation of
the ternary operator?

Tim-Hinnerk Heuer

Twitter: @geekdenz
Blog: http://www.thheuer.com


Having endured this entire thread (from T-to-B) I have to add my $.02.

I recently experienced the rather unexpected outcome of a ternary within a ternary. Rather than consider the order of evaluation being L-to-R or R-to-L, I merely diagnosed it as a simple bug in PHP - which BTW I love, despite it's less than consistent syntax. Reading all the talk of order of evaluation, I have to say in my 40+ years of programming in a variety of languages, I can't recall ever having to consider the topic. When I wrote code I always expected and relied upon the order being the way I wrote it. And - I usually added parentheses to help clarify in my mind what I was doing with the statement as I wrote it, although sometimes I knew they were necessary to achieve the analysis I had in mind.

So - as expected, the ternary operator does work from L-to-R except when joined with a second (or third?) ternary operator. Why that is I can't figure out other than to assume it's an un-resolved bug, that occurs so seldom it's probably never been issued. Oh, well.....




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