2013/5/3 Daevid Vincent <daevid@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Marco Behnke [mailto:marco@xxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 12:01 PM > > To: Daevid Vincent; php >> "php-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" > > Subject: Re: Need a tool to minimize HTML before storing in > memecache > > > > If you really have that much traffic, then memcache isn't your answer to > > caching. It is as slow as a fast database. > > That's not entirely true. > > > You should use APC caching instead. APC will also handle a lot of > > bytecode caching. > > We have both. > > > If you want to go with tidy and surf around the php issues you could > > optimize the single html parts, before glueing everything together. > > That would require much more work than simply getting < and > to work. And > honestly I've been hacking around Tidy so much at this point with regex to > minify the output, that I'm even wondering if Tidy is worth the both > anymore. Not sure what else it will give me. > > > Maybe google page speed is worth a look for you too? > > We have over 1,000 servers in house and also distributed across nodes in > various cities and countries. > Really? Ever considered HTTP-Caching, or even Load-Balancing including ESI? > > > With the loggedin flag, you can save two versions of your rendered, one > > for loggedin users and for not logged in users. That saves you php code > > in your template and you can use tidy. And for any other variables you > > can load the dynamic data after the page load. > > I gave simplistic examples for the sake of illustration. > > > With tidy, have you tried > > http://tidy.sourceforge.net/docs/quickref.html#preserve-entities > > http://tidy.sourceforge.net/docs/quickref.html#fix-uri > > Yes. See below. I posted all the flags I have tried and I too thought > those were the key, but sadly not. > > > Regards, > > Marco > > > > Am 03.05.13 19:40, schrieb Daevid Vincent: > > > Well we get about 30,000 page hits PER SECOND. > > > > > > So we have a template engine that generates a page using PHP/MySQL and > > populates it as everyone else does with the generic content. > > > Then we store THAT rendered page in a cache (memcache pool as well as a > > local copy on each server). > > > HOWEVER, there are of course dynamic parts of the page that can't be > > cached or we'd be making a cached page for every unique user. So things > like > > their <?= $username ?>, or maybe parts of the page change based up their > > membership <?php if ($loggedin == true) { ?>, or maybe parts of the page > > rotate different content (modules if you like). > > > > > > Therefore we are trying to mininimize/compress the cached pages that > need > > to be served by removing all <!-- --> and /* */ and // and whitespace and > > other stuff. When you have this much data to serve that fast, those few > > characters here and there add up quickly in bandwidth and space. As well > as > > render time for both apache and the client's browser's parser. > > > > > > Dig? > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: marco@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:marco@xxxxxxxxxx] > > >> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 4:28 AM > > >> To: Daevid Vincent; 'php-general General' > > >> Subject: RE: Need a tool to minimize HTML before storing in > > memecache > > >> > > >> But why are you caching uncompiled php code? > > >> > > >>> Daevid Vincent <daevid@xxxxxxxxxx> hat am 2. Mai 2013 um 23:21 > > >> geschrieben: > > >>> > > >>> While that may be true for most users, I see no reason that it should > > >> limit or > > >>> force me to a certain use case given that dynamic pages make up the > vast > > >>> majority of web pages served. > > >>> > > >>> Secondly, there are 8 billion options in Tidy to configure it, I > would > > be > > >>> astonished if they were so short-sighted to not have one to disable > > >> converting > > >>> < and > to < and > as they do for all sorts of other things > like > > >> quotes, > > >>> ampersands, etc. I just don't know which flag this falls under or > what > > >>> combination of flags I'm setting that is causing this to happen. > > >>> > > >>> Barring that little snag, it works like a champ. > > >>> > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> From: marco@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:marco@xxxxxxxxxx] > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 4:55 AM > > >>>> To: Daevid Vincent; 'php-general General' > > >>>> Subject: RE: Need a tool to minimize HTML before storing in > > >> memecache > > >>>> This is because tidy is for optimizing HTML, not for optimizing PHP. > > >>>> > > >>>>> Daevid Vincent <daevid@xxxxxxxxxx> hat am 2. Mai 2013 um 02:20 > > >>>> geschrieben: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> So I took the time to install Tidy extension and wedge it into my > > >> code. > > >>>> Now > > >>>>> there is one thing that is killing me and breaking all my pages. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> This is what I WANT the result to be: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" > > >>>> href="/templates/<?= > > >>>>> $layout_id ?>/css/styles.css" /> > > >>>>> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" > > >>>> href="/templates/<?= > > >>>>> $layout_id ?>/css/retina.css" media="only screen and > > >>>>> (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 2)" /> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Which then 'renders' out to this normally without Tidy: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" > > >>>>> href="/templates/2/css/styles.css" /> > > >>>>> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" > > >>>>> href="/templates/2/css/retina.css" media="only screen and > > >>>>> (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 2)" /> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> This is what Tidy does: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" > > >>>>> href="/templates/%3C?=%20$layout_id%20?%3E/css/styles.css"> > > >>>>> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" > > >>>>> href="/templates/%3C?=%20$layout_id%20?%3E/css/retina.css" > media="only > > >>>>> screen and (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 2)"> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I found ['fix-uri' => false] which gets closer: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" > > >>>>> href="/templates/<?= $layout_id ?>/css/styles.css"> > > >>>>> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" > > >>>>> href="/templates/<?= $layout_id ?>/css/retina.css" > media="only > > >>>> screen > > >>>>> and (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 2)"> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I've tried about every option I can think of. What is the solution > to > > >> make > > >>>>> it stop trying to be smarter than me and converting my < and > > tags?? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> //See all parameters available here: > > >>>>> http://tidy.sourceforge.net/docs/quickref.html > > >>>>> $tconfig = array( > > >>>>> //'clean' => true, > > >>>>> 'hide-comments' => true, > > >>>>> 'hide-endtags' => true, > > >>>>> 'drop-proprietary-attributes' => true, > > >>>>> //'join-classes' => true, > > >>>>> //'join-styles' => true, > > >>>>> //'quote-marks' => true, > > >>>>> 'fix-uri' => false, > > >>>>> 'numeric-entities' => true, > > >>>>> 'preserve-entities' => true, > > >>>>> 'doctype' => 'omit', > > >>>>> 'tab-size' => 1, > > >>>>> 'wrap' => 0, > > >>>>> 'wrap-php' => false, > > >>>>> 'char-encoding' => 'raw', > > >>>>> 'input-encoding' => 'raw', > > >>>>> 'output-encoding' => 'raw', > > >>>>> 'newline' => 'LF', > > >>>>> 'tidy-mark' => false, > > >>>>> 'quiet' => true, > > >>>>> 'show-errors' => ($this->_debug ? 6 : 0), > > >>>>> 'show-warnings' => $this->_debug, > > >>>>> ); > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> From: Joseph Moniz [mailto:joseph.moniz@xxxxxxxxx] > > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:55 PM > > >>>>> To: Daevid Vincent > > >>>>> Cc: php-general General > > >>>>> Subject: Re: Need a tool to minimize HTML before storing in > > >>>> memecache > > >>>>> http://php.net/manual/en/book.tidy.php > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> - Joseph Moniz > > >>>>> (510) 509-0775 | @josephmoniz <https://twitter.com/josephmoniz> | > > >>>>> <https://github.com/JosephMoniz> GitHub | > > >>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/joseph-moniz/13/949/b54/> LinkedIn | > Blog > > >>>>> <http://josephmoniz.github.io/> | CoderWall > > >>>>> <https://coderwall.com/josephmoniz> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> "Wake up early, Stay up late, Change the world" > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Daevid Vincent <daevid@xxxxxxxxxx > > > > >> wrote: > > >>>>> We do a lot with caching and storing in memecached as well as local > > >> copies > > >>>>> so as to not hit the cache pool over the network and we have found > > >> some > > >>>>> great tools to minimize our javascript and our css, and now we'd > like > > >> to > > >>>>> compress our HTML in these cache slabs. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Anyone know of a good tool or even regex magic that I can call from > > >> PHP to > > >>>>> compress/minimize the giant string web page before I store it in > the > > >>>> cache? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> It's not quite as simple as stripping white space b/c obviously > there > > >> are > > >>>>> spaces between attributes in tags that need to be preserved, but > also > > >> in > > >>>> the > > >>>>> words/text on the page. I could strip out newlines I suppose, but > then > > >> do > > >>>> I > > >>>>> run into any issues in other ways? In any event, it seems like > someone > > >>>> would > > >>>>> have solved this by now before I go re-inventing the wheel. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> d. > > >>>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Marco Behnke > > >>>> Dipl. Informatiker (FH), SAE Audio Engineer Diploma > > >>>> Zend Certified Engineer PHP 5.3 > > >>>> > > >>>> Tel.: 0174 / 9722336 > > >>>> e-Mail: marco@xxxxxxxxxx > > >>>> > > >>>> Softwaretechnik Behnke > > >>>> Heinrich-Heine-Str. 7D > > >>>> 21218 Seevetal > > >>>> > > >>>> http://www.behnke.biz > > >> -- > > >> Marco Behnke > > >> Dipl. Informatiker (FH), SAE Audio Engineer Diploma > > >> Zend Certified Engineer PHP 5.3 > > >> > > >> Tel.: 0174 / 9722336 > > >> e-Mail: marco@xxxxxxxxxx > > >> > > >> Softwaretechnik Behnke > > >> Heinrich-Heine-Str. 7D > > >> 21218 Seevetal > > >> > > >> http://www.behnke.biz > > > > > > > > > -- > > Marco Behnke > > Dipl. Informatiker (FH), SAE Audio Engineer Diploma > > Zend Certified Engineer PHP 5.3 > > > > Tel.: 0174 / 9722336 > > e-Mail: marco@xxxxxxxxxx > > > > Softwaretechnik Behnke > > Heinrich-Heine-Str. 7D > > 21218 Seevetal > > > > http://www.behnke.biz > > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- github.com/KingCrunch
