There's no need for it to be a flame war. The mysql extension is officially not recommended for writing new code, so anyone using it should be informed of this fact. I think it should consist of more than "don't use that," but at the very least that should cause the questioner to want to know why. http://php.net/intro.mysql This issue is problematic for exactly the reason Norah demonstrates above: "it's working." Great that in this case it hasn't been left at that, but most will see it work and think they've "got it right." I believe the community has a responsibility to give good advice and recommend best practices as well as directly addressing people's problems, so it's right that things like this get repeatedly pointed out where appropriate. -Stuart Stuart Dallas 3ft9 Ltd http://3ft9.com/ -- Thanks, didn't know about this. No doubt it's been general news for months or years but I see the PHP manual page you linked to was edited 3 days ago. Will have to see what ADOdb is doing - the last release I saw didn't support PDO_MySQL or mysqli. I googled and saw a first release of 5.5 will be this month? Cheers Arno -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php