Hello Daniel, > I briefly glanced, and no more, because anyone with any idea of > Internet etiquette knows not to forward an entire bunch of junk to a > public and wholly-unrelated mailing list. Had you considered the > appropriate options, such as reading about how to contact us, you'd > have gotten a response. Note that the tone of your reply here has > already changed the tenor of this entire discussion now. Hmm, that's funny. I sent the mail to the addresses which were listed in the replies I got. The first mail suggested to use the ml owner, which I did. Then I got another reply which said the following: --- This is an automated response to your message to "internals-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" If you are trying to post to one of the PHP mailing lists, the correct address looks something like php-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx. If you are having problems unsubscribing, follow the directions located online at http://php.net/unsub --- So the only address that actually seemed to be working was php-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx How do you expect me to investigate how to contact the mailing list owners other than reading the mails I get from the mailing list. You wrote that 'anyone with any idea of Internet etiquette knows not to forward an entire bunch of junk to a public and wholly-unrelated mailing list'. You know, you could also say the following: Anyone with any idea of Internet etiquette knows that if you send an automated reply, you also include a correct address to which you can reply to. Using only addresses that return additional canned responses is against the Internet etiquette. It is not my fault that the only address that worked was a totally unrelated public mailing list. > And, for the most part, we are (save for a few sentient androids). > However, go to news.php.net and look at those bounce messages. Note > it's all consecutive, within a relatively small window of time. Then, > using your own suggestion about reading the email, look at the bounce > response: the messages were undeliverable up to a time threshold, when > the server gave up. Sounds like there was an issue connecting to your > SMTP system during that window. If you have the appropriate access, > you might want to review your mail logs during this window. Ok. This makes sense since the mail server was down for several days due to a HW problem. But this is something which can happen and I find it rather concerning getting an email which states that I might be removed w/o further notice. If the system knows that mails were undeliverable during a certain period, then there is no reason for sending me a warning. If this happens for 14 consecutive days, then it makes sense to send an email. > Well, as the adage goes, you'll catch more flies with honey than > with vinegar. And considering this is the very first message I've > ever seen from you, it sounds like either (a) you didn't follow the > proper protocol, or (b) there's something in the process we need to > review. If you think the issue lies on our end, you can submit a bug > at https://bugs.php.net/ and detail the steps to reproduce the issue. > If it is indeed something we need to correct, believe me, we will. We > don't deliberately attempt to mislead or frustrate people, despite how > it might have seemed. I was one of the original developers of the native ibm_db2 driver for PHP. I also subscribed to the internal mailing list at that time, because I wanted to work on PHP itself. Unfortunately most developers started to be quite condescending in this list and thus I never really posted anything to that list. -- regards Helmut K. C. Tessarek lookup http://sks.pkqs.net for KeyID 0xC11F128D /* Thou shalt not follow the NULL pointer for chaos and madness await thee at its end. */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
