rc> However, what is valid is to take a point of rc> reference in time and infer a period before rc> it. Thus before the big bang is perfectly valid rc> whether we could perceive it or not. It's a question of asking what existed before anything existed, though. The answer is not even "nothing" since nothing is something. There's also something bizarre and ironic in having Unix and Windows-based epoc sidereal time firmly rooted in a non-event that didn't happen over 41 years ago. The irony is that Unix epoc time wraps the supposed Mithratic Jesus birth date which also didn't happen, our computers are delusional but also logical -- amusing. This whole PHP thing about epoc time is amusing since there remains the question of what frame of reference the first second of Unix time is predicated upon. January 1st 1970 has no reality, it was never real, it was an abritrary symbol etched in to Unix to reference how many vibrations of an atom excited by a cessium rubidium maser in Goldstone, Colorado there has been since an arbitrary frame of reference. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php