I'm actually interested in finding out if there are any languages that don't suck in any way... I know and have programmed in about 29, i have yet to find a language that makes 100% sense and i have no complaints about. However i still choose PHP over many, many other languages and i implement php apis because its such an easy to learn, versatile, and as advanced as you want to make it language; i mean i've written vfat in php for fun, as well as self-documenting or self-correcting libraries with reflection, advanced sorting algorithms (like a pimped radix sort that did positive, and negative integers and floats), and yet teach people how to write stuff in php in minutes, people never exposed to programming... In short, PHP does suck, but so do all languages, so when compared, php actually doesn't suck anywhere near as much as some other oftenly used languages. Anyways, just my $.02 With Regards... --Alex On Jul 13, 2011 9:15 PM, "Florian Müller" <floripipo@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: