2011/6/17 Nathan Nobbe <quickshiftin@xxxxxxxxx> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Eric Butera <eric.butera@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Daevid Vincent <daevid@xxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Nathan Nobbe [mailto:quickshiftin@xxxxxxxxx] > > >> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 9:51 AM > > >> To: php-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> Subject: Doctrine madness! > > >> > > >> Hi gang, > > >> > > >> If anyone out there has some experience w/ Doctrine now would be a > great > > >> time to share it! > > > > > > Yeah, I've used Doctrine as part of Symfony. Both suck balls and are a > > perfect example of why you should NEVER use frameworks. Lesson learned > the > > hard way. Re-write with your own MySQL wrappers and for the love of God > and > > all that is holy do NOT make it an ORM wrapper. > > > > some of the functionality doctrine has is amazing and it is a big time > saver > for sure. sf is also one of the smoothest frameworks ive used in php. i > think this goes to show you that frameworks don't to *everything* > perfectly, > nor can they. > > what i find more painful is the fact that 130+ ppl on the doctrine irc > channel can't offer anything but a shoddy workaround that they assume i'm > too dumb to have already thought of myself. when in reality, it's like > 'no, > your crappy library has a bug in it, could you please address that...' > > what is even more disheartening is that through php itself, i have no way > of > deciphering which variable is holding this memory or any way to go about > freeing it, even with the magic circular reference handling of 5.3. that > bodes badly for php, plain and simple. > > what it really amounts to is php is good at doing 1 thing and 1 thing only, > generating web pages. for anything else, including command line scripts > that run for more than 30 seconds, choose an actual programming language or > be prepared to deal w/ hacky, disgusting workarounds. > it is sad to be acknowledged that php still has no significant progress in orm libraries. but i would still be confident in that php is good for web programming and it does not one thing but many good comparing to the other many languages such as python, ruby etc. it is simple to start, easy to control, extensive to integration, mature for profiling and performance tuning, low cost in learning etc. although the language its self is not every good in a manner of structured, object-oriented, etc. i think i see none language in such a manner. and you? > > -nathan >
