Hey, Folks; Just a gentle reminder after watching things get worse by the day: it is one of the rules of this and all official php.net mailing lists that you must not top-post. For anyone wondering just one of the reasons why we have this rule in effect, tab through this thread in the archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/php-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx/msg262390.html See how disastrous and headache-inducing it looks? You wouldn't put code together looking like spaghetti thrown at a wall and smashed into the carpet, especially knowing your clients and peers would see it, would you? It's a very similar situation here: your every word is being recorded in literally hundreds of places simultaneously, preserved as educational and professional reference material for current and future developers --- and not just in the PHP programming language, but in computer programming in general, as theories lend themselves to apply to other situations as well. Many of you take the time out of your busy schedules to voluntarily impart knowledge on people of varying degrees of skills and abilities, which is beyond commendable; so why not take just a couple of extra seconds to show pride in your participation, lead by example, and continue to set the bar high, rather than simply settling for the quickest Twitter-like "R/T" to a post? ;-P The ultimate goal here isn't to start a flame war (or even any further discussion on the subject for that matter), but to point out that this is a RULE of the official community here, not a PREFERENCE. P.S. - Those of you who have been around for years will likely recall with some fondness the level of respect, participation, and quality of discussions this list once had; the degree of mutual respect and camaraderie was palpable. If you're wondering if those days have really diminished into little more than granular memory, it's not just you --- check the following graph for some rather disturbing evidence: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.php.general -- </Daniel P. Brown> Network Infrastructure Manager Documentation, Webmaster Teams http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php