Re: the state of the PHP community

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On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Nathan Rixham <nrixham@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Bastien Koert wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Nathan Rixham <nrixham@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related
>>> community with a PHP focus), so, here's a bunch of questions - feel free
>>> to
>>> answer none to all of them, on list or off, or add more of your own -
>>> this
>>> isn't for anything specific, just out of interest and sure I (and
>>> everybody
>>> who reads the replies) will learn something + doors/options/contacts may
>>> come of it. The only thing I can guarantee is that I'm genuinely
>>> interested
>>> in every reply and will read every one of them + lookup every tech and
>>> link
>>> mentioned.
>>>
>>> in no particular order:
>>>
>>> What other languages and web techs do you currently use other than PHP?
>>> - if you include html or css please include version, if js then preferred
>>> libs, and whether client or server side.
>>
>> Classic ASP (ugh!)
>
> I'll reply in full shortly when I get a chance, but for now - condolences,
> sincerely - and thanks to the nice dates we currently have I can say:


I give myself condolences every day! ;-)


>
> "wow i remember using classic asp as my primary language a decade ago"
> or:
> "omg I wrote my first news admin system in classic asp at the turn of the
> century"
> or even:
> "omg I remember being stuck with classic asp in the last millenium"!
>
> In all seriousness though:
> 1: how'd you manage to get stuck on classic asp still? maintaining old
> systems that won't shift?

We are stuck for a couple of reasons:
- lack of management vision to move on (one choice might be c# because
"its got the most examples in the msdn pages" is the direct quote)
- long lifecycle of the app (we just got told that we'll need to
support it for the next 3-5 years and they keep selling it!

I am pushing big time to move to php with the CodeIgniter framework
with jQuery. The real trouble is that if we move this way, the VP
won't be in charge because he doesn't have the knowledge to program in
php, not that he's got it in c#!




> 2: has it changed much, if any? (last i used was chillisoft on cobalt
> raq4's!)

Hasn't changed at all in 10 years. MS declared it dead and tried to
turn it off in W2K3 server, but so many legacy apps run on it that it
can't be shut down. It not supported any more and it sucks big time!!!



>
> Best,
>
> Nathan
>



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