On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 17:01 -0800, Daevid Vincent wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ashley Sheridan [mailto:ash@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:18 PM > > > > On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 16:17 -0800, Daevid Vincent wrote: > > > > > I'm not looking to start a holy war here or re-hash the > > > tired debate. I just want some hard cold numbers to look at. > > > > > > "Do you use a public framework or roll your own?" > > > http://www.rapidpoll.net/8opnt1e > > > > When you ay roll your own, what do you define a framework as? Do you > > class it as something as big and complex as a fully-fledged MVC > > framework, or would a collection of modules you've put together over > > time satisfy this? > > Well for me, it's exactly as you say. It's a collection of functions, > base.class.php (with magic __set(), __call(), __get(), debug introspection, > etc.), User.class.php (loading, saving, logging, roles, etc.), > $_SESSION['user'], gui_nav.inc.php, gui_menu.inc.php, gui_footer.inc.php, > gui_header.inc.php, db.inc.php wrapper functions, global.inc.php, and a few > other 'function' collections for time/date, XML, outputting a standardized > HTML table with rollover/headings/popups/row summary/etc, select box > (multi, blank option, ghosted options, array/sql, etc). "logic" I've > accumulated over the years of what works and what doesn't. > > So at each company, I tend to start with my previous "framework" and build > upon it. Improving it. Tweeking and optimizing it not only for future use, > but also for the specific task at hand. Ripping out things that don't apply > to keep the code lean and adding routines that help make life easier too. > For example, until this current job, I would never have used a > print_table() routine that takes arrays of headings (tooltips optional), > rows, data and prints out an HTML table because I thought it was a waste of > memory and I can just loop and do it in each page. But now I am kicking > myself for not doing that in other companies. Sure it has some "gotchas", > but I've worked through pretty much every one so far and this routine kicks > some ass up and down the block. It even exports to Excel, WITH notes = > tooltips. Yeah baby! > > I tried Symfony at one company and absolutely hated it. I hear good things > about Zend. But overall -- and again, I really do NOT want this to turn > into a debate or the pros/cons, I just wanted to know some percentages of > what people are REALLY using. Partially curiosity and partially to maybe > re-consider or maybe to re-enforce what I've been doing. > > I think then from what you've said, that I guess I do use a sort of loose framework of my own bits I've put together. I havn't had quite so long as it sounds you've had to put them together (I'm not trying to age bash :p ) so I've still got plenty to learn, but it does help me work smarter when I'm putting things together. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
